[Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce
bear at moscow.com
bear at moscow.com
Tue Apr 14 06:32:18 PDT 2009
Donovan,
YOU are wrong! NONE of the TEN COMMANDMENTS say that.
The discussion was in regards to the TEN COMMANDMENTS. Matthew 22:34-40 does NOT list
the Ten Commandments as they are known to all of the world and those that read the bible,
except YOU of course.
First, Matthew 22:34-40 is not a listing of the Ten Commandments, the lists known as the
Ten
Commandments are given in passages in two books of the Bible: Exodus 20:2–17, Exodus
34:11–27 and Deuteronomy 5:6–21.
Second, depending on which religion/denomination (Jewish,
Anglican,Reformed,Orthodox,Catholic, Lutheran or other Christian, the Second Commandment
regards the following: You shall have no other gods before me; or, You shall not make for
yourself an idol; or, You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God. No where in
any
list of the TEN COMMANDMENTS is there a "cliff note version" that reduces the Ten
Commandments down to two!
Have a nice day
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> Bear,
> Â
> Yes you did ask that, precisely your words were,
> Â
> "You state below that 'God says to love your neighbor, not sell and abuse
t> hem', where? In the Bible? You can't use the Bible where it supports your
p> osition and then say it's bunk when it doesn't!"
> Â
> I told you where it says that, precisely;
> Â
> Matthew 22:34-40
> Â
> "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your
so> ul, and with all your mind. is the greatest and first commandment. And a
se> cond is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these
tw> o commandments hang all the
> law and the prophets."
> Â
> It is the second commandment, that is where it says slavery and abuse of
sl> aves is wrong.
> Because you are suppose to love thy neighbor as thy self.
> Â
> Best Regards,
> Â
> Donovan
>
> Â
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 4/13/09, bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce
> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Ralph Nielsen"
<niels> en at uidaho.edu>, vision2020 at moscow.com, bear at moscow.com
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:56 PM
>
>
> NO Donovan, I NEVER asked that. What I ask was WHICH one of the ten
command> ments YOU
> were quoting. YOU stated," First, the Ten Commandants say to "Love your
Nei> ghbor". Do you
> disagree?" It is your quote, not mine.
>
> I said that I disagree and am asking YOU which of the TEN COMMANDMENTS
says> that.
>
>
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>
>
> > Bear,
> > ÂÂ
> > You asked where it said in the Bible not to sell your neighbor and abuse
> th> em.
> > ÂÂ
> > It says in the Bible, directly from Jesus,
> > ÂÂ
> > "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
> > and with all your soul, and with all your mind. is the greatest
> > and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love
> > your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the
> > law and the prophets.-Jesus---Matthew 22:34-40
> > ÂÂ
> > Unless you want to absurdly assert that selling someone into slavery and
> ab> use is not contrary to loving them, your question has been
> satisfactor> ily answered as to where it says slavery and abuse of your
nei> ghbor is
> wron> g in the Bible.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > ÂÂ
> > Donovan
> > ÂÂ
> >
> > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce
> > To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Ralph Nielsen"
> <niels> en at uidaho.edu>, vision2020 at moscow.com, bear at moscow.com
> > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:04 PM
> >
> >
> > Donovan,
> >
> > I'm afraid I DO disagree, which commandment says that?
> >
> > The 10 Commandments are found in the Bible's Old Testament at Exodus,
> Chapt> er 20. They
> > were given directly by God to the people of Israel at Mount Sinai after
H> e
> > had delivered
> > them
> > from slavery in Egypt:
> > "And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your
Godââ> ‚¬Â¦
> >
> > ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'
> > TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of
> anyth> ing that is in
> > heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water
> unde> r the earth.'
> > THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'
> > FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'
> > FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'
> > SIX: 'You shall not murder.'
> > SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'
> > EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'
> > NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'
> > TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your
> n> eighbor's wife,
> > nor
> > his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor
> a> nything that is
> > your
> > neighbor's.'
> >
> >
> >
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> ---
> > > Bear,
> > > ÂÂÂ
> > > First, the Ten Commandants say to "Love your Neighbor". Do you
disagree> ?
> > > ÂÂÂ
> > >
> > >
‘âââ€> šÂ¬Ã…“You shall love the Lord your
> Go> d with all your heart,
> > and> with all your soul, and with all your
> mind.â€ï¿> ½ This is the
grea> test
> > > and first commandment. And a second is like it:
âââ> €šÂ¬Ã…“You
> > shall love
> > you> r neighbour as
yourself.â€ïÂ> ¿Â½ On these two
> commandm> ents hang all the
> > la> w and the
> prophets.’--JesusÃ> ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬> �Matthew 22:34-40
> > > ÂÂÂ
> > > Second, Are you arguing that selling someone into slavery and abusing
> the> m
> > > is not contrary to this law?
> > > ÂÂÂ
> > > Best Regards,
> > > ÂÂÂ
> > > Donovan
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce
> > > To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Ralph Nielsen"
> > <niels> en at uidaho.edu>, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 4:16 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > Donovan,
> > >
> > > You state below that "God says to love your neighbor, not sell and
abus> e
> > th> em", where? In
> > > the
> > > Bible?
> > > You can't use the Bible where it supports your position and then say
it> 's
> > b> unk when it
> > > doesn't!
> > >
> > >
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> > -
> > > > Ralph, ÂÂÂ
> > > > The Bible is not the law of the land. And I don't know of any men,
> > > including Wilson, that want to adopt Leviticus or Exodus as
> such.Â> ÂÂ
> > Â> ÂÂ
> > > > God says to love your neighbor, not sell and abuse them.
Ãâ€> šÃ‚Â
> > > > Women were sold in ancient times, or given a
dowry,ÂÃ> ‚ in
> order>Â to
> > repa> y
> > > the father for the cost of raising and
prote> cting her, which
> > was
> > expe> nsive to
> > > > do. You have to watch them 24 hours a day.
> > > > ÂÂÂ
> > > > Your interpretation of God, and the Bible seems extremely corrupted.
> > > Perhaps it is your prejudice against people that know a loving God
> > exists.>ÂÂ
> > > > ÂÂÂ
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > ÂÂÂ
> > > > Donovan
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce
> > > > To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> > > > Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 2:54 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't think anyone suggested that he was, Donovan. But there are
al> l
> > to> o
> > > > many like him who want to make it the law of the
land.Â> ÂÂ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As I pointed out, the God of the Bible says it is OK for a father to
> se> ll
> > > h> is daughter into slavery. Doug seems to lack a sense of morality so
> he
> > > goes> by the rule that if it's biblical,
it'> s moral.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ralph
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Apr 13, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wilson is not the law of the land. He is not in a position to enforce
> h> is
> > > r> eligious symbolism literally on the country. Only people that wish
t> o
> > > follo> w his words do, not by force.
> > > > ÂÂÂ
> > > > There seems to be a deep sense of confusion amongst some liberals
> betwe> en
> > > r> eligious symbolism and an actual judge and government forcing an 8
> yea> r
> > > old> girl to marry a 40-something year old
m> an.
> > > > ÂÂÂ
> > > > As a Christian, I believe, and my religious leaders will tell me, to
> > hono> r
> > > > my Mother and Father, and I willfully try to do so. However, they are
> n> ot
> > > a> dvocating that it be law that I do whatever my parents tell me to do
> a> s
> > > an
> > > > adult.
> > > > ÂÂÂ
> > > > I don't know Wilson theology, but I am sure he is against 8 year old
> > girl> s
> > > > being forced to marry and do whatever a 40 year old man tells her to
> do> ..
> > > I
> > > > am sure he is also against the buying and selling of people as
> property> ..
> > > Bu> t even if he wasn't, who cares, he isn't in a position, or seeking
> a
> > > positi> on, to enforce it. I am concerned with those that are being
> force> d
> > > right
> > > no> w, and an ancient system of governing that is operates serious
> > injustic> es
> > > a> gainst people, especially women and children.
> > > > ÂÂÂ
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > ÂÂÂ
> > > > Donovan
> > > > ÂÂÂ
> > > >
> > > >
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