[Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce

Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Mon Apr 13 17:25:52 PDT 2009 

Bear,
 
You asked where it said in the Bible not to sell your neighbor and abuse them. 
 
It says in the Bible, directly from Jesus,
 
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
and with all your soul, and with all your mind. is the greatest
and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love
your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the
law and the prophets.-Jesus---Matthew 22:34-40
 
Unless you want to absurdly assert that selling someone into slavery and abuse is not contrary to loving them, your question has been satisfactorily answered as to where it says slavery and abuse of your neighbor is wrong in the Bible. 

Best Regards,
 
Donovan
 

--- On Mon, 4/13/09, bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com> wrote:


From: bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Ralph Nielsen" <nielsen at uidaho.edu>, vision2020 at moscow.com, bear at moscow.com
Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:04 PM


Donovan,

I'm afraid I DO disagree, which commandment says that?

The 10 Commandments are found in the Bible's Old Testament at Exodus, Chapter 20. They 
were given directly by God to the people of Israel at Mount Sinai after He had delivered
them 
from slavery in Egypt: 
"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God… 

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.' 
TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in 
heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.' 
THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.' 
FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.' 
FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.' 
SIX: 'You shall not murder.' 
SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.' 
EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.' 
NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.' 
TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife,
nor 
his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is
your 
neighbor's.'


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> Bear,
>  
> First, the Ten Commandants say to "Love your Neighbor". Do you disagree?
>  
> 
> ‘“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
and>  with all your soul, and with all your mind.â€� This is the greatest
> and first commandment. And a second is like it: “You shall love
you> r neighbour as yourself.� On these two commandments hang all the
la> w and the prophets.’--Jesus—Matthew 22:34-40
>  
> Second, Are you arguing that selling someone into slavery and abusing them
> is not contrary to this law?
>  
> Best Regards,
>  
> Donovan
> 
> --- On Mon, 4/13/09, bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce
> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Ralph Nielsen"
<niels> en at uidaho.edu>, vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 4:16 PM
> 
> 
> Donovan,
> 
> You state below that "God says to love your neighbor, not sell and abuse
th> em", where? In
> the 
> Bible?
> You can't use the Bible where it supports your position and then say it's
b> unk when it
> doesn't!
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------> --
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> > Ralph,  
> > The Bible is not the law of the land. And I don't know of any men,
> including Wilson, that want to adopt Leviticus or Exodus as such. 
Â>  
> > God says to love your neighbor, not sell and abuse them.  
> > Women were sold in ancient times, or given a dowry, in order to
repa> y
> the  father for the cost of raising and protecting her, which was
expe> nsive to
> > do. You have to watch them 24 hours a day. 
> >  
> > Your interpretation of God, and the Bible seems extremely corrupted.
> Perhaps it is your prejudice against people that know a loving God
exists.>  
> >  
> > Best Regards,
> >  
> > Donovan
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce
> > To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 2:54 PM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I don't think anyone suggested that he was, Donovan. But there are all
to> o
> > many like him who want to make it the law of the land. 
> > 
> > 
> > As I pointed out, the God of the Bible says it is OK for a father to sell
> h> is daughter into slavery. Doug seems to lack a sense of morality so he
> goes>  by the rule that if it's biblical, it's moral.
> > 
> > 
> > Ralph
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Apr 13, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Wilson is not the law of the land. He is not in a position to enforce his
> r> eligious symbolism literally on the country. Only people that wish to
> follo> w his words do, not by force.
> >  
> > There seems to be a deep sense of confusion amongst some liberals between
> r> eligious symbolism and an actual judge and government forcing an 8 year
> old>  girl to marry a 40-something year old man.
> >  
> > As a Christian, I believe, and my religious leaders will tell me, to
hono> r
> > my Mother and Father, and I willfully try to do so. However, they are not
> a> dvocating that it be law that I do whatever my parents tell me to do as
> an
> > adult.
> >  
> > I don't know Wilson theology, but I am sure he is against 8 year old
girl> s
> > being forced to marry and do whatever a 40 year old man tells her to do.
> I
> > am sure he is also against the buying and selling of people as property.
> Bu> t even if he wasn't, who cares, he isn't in a position, or seeking a
> positi> on, to enforce it. I am concerned with those that are being forced
> right
> no> w, and an ancient system of governing that is operates serious
injustic> es
> a> gainst people, especially women and children.
> >  
> > Best Regards,
> >  
> > Donovan
> >  
> > 
> > 
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