[Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama

[Tom Hansen]

Care to discuss John McCain's relationships?
 
Where should we start?  His professional relationships with Fannie Mae and Fannie Mac?  His religious relationships with Rod Parsley and another pastor whose name escapes me for the moment?
 
Plea, No.  Make the choice.  Where should I begin?
 
Now, if you will excuse me.  I have a Farmers' Market to attend.
 
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho



> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:06:29 -0600> From: no.weatherman at gmail.com> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill Ayers & Barack Obama> > Dr. Campbell,> > I don't buy your statement that you didn't read the whole post. You> obviously read looking for a "gotcha" and you found one — I didn't> quote the exact words of Dylan correctly. Thank you for pointing that> out. Perhaps we can call it the fallacy of majoring on the minors, or> harping on the irrelevant, because my misstatement did not affect the> content of the post. But that's all right, if it makes you feel> better, because you didn't misquote me — you merely fabricated> statements and imputed them to me. The logical error you're committing> is seeing words that don't exist. I rely upon your expertise to find> the name for this fallacy.> > For example, I never used the word McCain and I never said Obama is> "bad" or that you shouldn't "vote" for him, etc., just as I never> suggested, implied, or concluded that "it is OK to circumvent the> democratic process and cheat in getting a president elected as long as> your side wins." I never tried to justify Liddy's actions; in fact, I> wrote just the opposite. But these are all words and ideas that you> imputed to me. And just in case you're tempted to hurl a few more> personal insults at me, saying you could not understand the meaning of> my post, please note that Keely followed my point as did Tom and the> few folks who contacted me offlist. Therefore, I will try it one more> time.> > In my first post I applied your standard of disassociation to Barack> Hussein Obama and his longtime friend Bill Ayers. I segued to get the> subject back on point, which seems to be where you lost me. I tried to> confront you with facts that no liberal wants to address. These are> facts that no one in the msm has covered, probably for the same reason> no liberal wants to address them.> > 1. My first point was that Obama has a long-standing personal and> professional relationship with Bill Ayers.> > 2. My second point was that msm refuses to cover this fact and other> disturbing facts about Obama.> > For example, it's a simple historical fact that Bill Ayers is a> notorious domestic terrorist who intended to overthrow the US> government by violent force and it's a simple fact that Bill Ayers> launched Barrack Hussein Obama's political career from his living> room. It's a fact that Obama has written two memoirs and neither one> of them mentions his first and primary executive experience at CAC,> which raises honest questions about his role at CAC but apparently> doesn't register with you or any other liberal on this list. It's a> fact that a prominent member of the Democratic Party is challenging> Obama's legal standing to run for POTUS because of his citizenships in> other countries, but some people are satisfied with a jpg image file> on the worldwide web. Maybe they're still stuck on the bridge to> nowhere.> > Let me give you a different kind of example. Let's say that you and I> both agree with candidate X across the board on every position except> for one minor point — he's a member in good standing of the KKK and he> proudly dons his robe in public. You can cry "guilt by association"> all you want, but I'm not going to vote for that man because this is> where you're wrong. As Kurtz said, it's not guilt by association; it's> guilt by participation. HE VOLUNTARILY PARTICIPATES IN A RACIST> ORGANIZATION.> > This is the sad reality of Barrack Hussein Obama that no one on the> left wants to acknowledge — especially the msm and not a few folks on> this list. Obama was a member in good standing of a virulent> anti-Semitic, anti-American church for 20 years, yet everyone gives> him a pass when he claims he never heard any of the toxic vitriol> spewing from Rev. Wright.> > Obama served side by side on CAC's board of directors with its> founder, Bill Ayers, who just happens to be a domestic terrorist, yet> everyone gives him a pass when he claims, "he's just a guy who lives> in my neighborhood."> > Obama blew millions of dollars on school reform when he served on> CAC's board of directors, yet everyone gives him a pass, which is> especially disturbing given the number of people on this list who are> education oriented. If Obama's opponent had thrown millions down a rat> hole in a failed school-reform program, this list would go sideways> with criticism. But no one says anything, as though it never happened.> > The list of Obama's failures is staggering and the list of questions> surrounding his background is equally staggering, yet few people on> this list appear to care and none of the msm care.> > Tell me Dr. Campbell, how do you account for this apparent black hole> in the political universe?> > I ask this question remembering the words of Dylan:> > "We live in a political world> The one we can see and feel> But there's no one to check> It's all a stacked deck> We all know for sure that it's real." ("Political World")> > 
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