[Vision2020] Silos not Crossing
roger hayes
rhayes at turbonet.com
Thu Sep 25 07:11:13 PDT 2008
I mistakenly wrote "Crossing" when I meant to write Silos... Sorry!
On Thursday, September 25, 2008, at 06:53 AM,
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> From: Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> To: Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com>, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
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> If he was decent, or had good taste, he wouldn't have posted it in the
> first place. Unbelievable! T
>
> TAKE IT DOWN!
>
> Ellen A. Roskovich
>> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:43:06 -0700> From: chasuk at gmail.com> To:
>> thansen at moscow.com> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: Re:
>> [Vision2020] Say What?> > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 05:41, Tom Hansen
>> <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:> > > "Barack Obama Shows up at the pearly
>> gates, and St. Peter says, 'Who are> > you?'> > > 'Barack Obama, the
>> first black president of the United States!'> > > St. Peter says,
>> 'Never heard of you -- when did you get get elected?'> > > 'About 20
>> minutes ago.'"> > > - cdwitmer, as displayed on Dale Courtney's
>> Right-Mind Blog (September 25,> > 2008)> > That is incredibly
>> unfunny. I hope Dale displays the good taste of> taking it down.> >
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> From: <joekc at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] What Makes Moscow Business-Unfriendly?
> To: Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com>
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> The real joke in all of this is at the end of the article, where one
> of the church goers talks about
> the chain reaction of allowing neighborhood bars. The big fear is
> apparently the mixture of "cars,
> bars, and kids." But the fact is that the Silos is a neighborhood
> establishment. It is in fact in my
> neighborhood. It prevents drinking and driving more than anything.
> Most of the folks who frequent
> the Silos live near by and walk there. And, of course, I've never seen
> anyone have more than a
> couple of beers there or a couple of glasses of wine. Of course, let's
> not let the facts get in the
> way. Better to listen to speculations from folks who don't go there
> and don't live nearby.
>
> I think that this is a real test case to be able to predict what kind
> of town Moscow will be in the
> future. One dictated by the will of a select few with a clear agenda,
> or a diverse community
> where people respect the rights of individuals to make their own
> choices and live their own lives.
>
> The slippery slope that I worry about is not the one noted in the
> article but the one noted by
> Ellen. I only hope that the council has the courage to stop it.
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ---- Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is Patty's Kitchen and Taco Time going to be next on the hit list?
>>
>> Ellen A. Roskovich
>>> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:11:45 -0700> From:
>>> sslund_2007 at verizon.net> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject:
>>> [Vision2020] What Makes Moscow Business-Unfriendly?> > 23 Sept.
>>> 2008> > Moscow-Pullman Daily News> Moscow church objects to alcohol
>>> at nearby cafe License up for renewal in> January, council to take
>>> up issue at Oct. 6 meeting> By Tara Roberts, Daily News staff
>>> writer> > The CROSSing Pastor John Houser doesn't think Cafe Silos
>>> should be allowed> to sell beer and wine because of its proximity to
>>> the church.> > Houser and several members of the Moscow church's
>>> congregation attended the> City Council's Administrative Committee
>>> meeting Monday to express their> displeasure with the nearby cafe's
>>> ability to sell alcoholic beverages.> > Beer and wine licenses are
>>> not normally allowed within 300 feet of a church,> but the council
>>> waived the requirement for Cafe Silos in May 2007. The> CROSSing
>>> moved into a Travois Way location that is next door to Cafe Silos>
>>> in March. > > Th!
> e council reviewed the decision in October when Pastor Rick Parsons
> of the> Impact Church, which occupied the Travois Way building at the
> time, objected> to the license. The council unanimously decided to
> uphold its decision, but> agreed to review the license down the road.>
> > The license will be up for renewal again in January, and The
> CROSSing> members said they wanted to make their voices heard before
> then.> > "We're just asking that the law is presented for a reason ...
> and we're> asking that that law be reviewed," Houser said. "We would
> like to see that> law held up with the 300-foot distance."> > The
> CROSSing member Larry Todd argued that the beer and wine license>
> shouldn't be allowed near a church or in a predominantly residential>
> neighborhood. He said he's concerned about the potential mix of
> "alcohol,> cars and kids." Part of Cafe Silos' parking is near The
> CROSSing's> playground.> > "Anybody drinking their nice, smooth
> merlot, when they're done, 50 percent> of t!
> hem have the potential of having to walk past that playground, get
> in> their car, and drive past that playground and leave," Todd said.>
> > The CROSSing submitted several letters asking the council to revoke
> the> license and a petition with about 50 signatures of people opposed
> to the> license.> > Attorney Jack Porter spoke on behalf of Cafe Silos
> owners Ray and Brenda von> Wandruszka and Rob Davis.> > He said he
> felt some of The CROSSing members were misinformed, believing> that
> the license is illegal. The license is legal because the council
> waived> the requirement prohibiting beer and wine near churches.> >
> Porter also said Cafe Silos is "not the Beach or CJ's" and has never
> had> alcohol-related crime problems.> > "I find it offensive that they
> think they can move into a neighborhood where> there's already an
> established, legal business conducting itself in a quiet,> inoffensive
> way, and say, 'We don't like alcohol so you have to stop serving> it,'
> " Porter said.> > The committee decided to send the issue to the full
> City Council for> discus!
> sion at its Oct. 6 meeting. Committee members and Councilmen Bill>
> Lambert and Tom Lamar said they are inclined to uphold the license.> >
> Lamar, who lives near Cafe Silos, said he's never seen any sort of
> unruly> behavior by people drinking at the cafe. He added that just
> because The> CROSSing members complained doesn't mean the council has
> to revoke the> license.> > "The beer and wine license has already been
> issued, certainly for us to> review again," he said. "But I don't see
> the neighbors or (Cafe Silos)> trying to get the church to change what
> it's preaching."> > Houser said after the meeting that he felt the
> committee members were asking> the church not to push its beliefs on
> the cafe, but "forcing the business'> agenda on the church."> > Houser
> said he and church members will attend the council meeting and speak>
> again.> > Church member Aleta Sonnenberg said she's worried that the
> council's> decision to uphold the license will start a chain reaction
> of other licenses!
>> being issued near churches and schools and in residential
>> neighborhoods.> > "It's not just the church, it's the precedent it
>> sets," she said.> > QUICKREAD> > WHAT HAPPENED: Members of The
>> CROSSing church asked the Moscow City> Council's Administrative
>> Committee to consider revoking Cafe Silo's beer and> wine license
>> because the cafe is near the church.> > n WHAT IT MEANS: The license
>> is up for renewal in January. The council can> decide not to waive a
>> legal requirement that prohibits alcohol licenses> within 300 feet of
>> churches.> > WHAT HAPPENS NEXT: The full council will discuss the
>> issue Oct. 6.> > WHY YOU SHOULD CARE: The CROSSing members say
>> allowing beer and wine near> the church endangers children and could
>> cause crime. An attorney for Cafe> Silos said it's unfair for the
>> church to push its beliefs on the cafe and> its patrons.> > Tara
>> Roberts can be reached at (208) 882-5561, ext. 234, or by e-mail at>
>> troberts at dnews.com.> > >
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> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:17:51 GMT
> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> To: Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com>, Chasuk
> <chasuk at gmail.com>, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>,
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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> I kind doubt that Courtney will take it down, Ellen, no matter how many
> people find cdwitmer's "joke" to be racist and offensive.
>
> Cdwitmer's comment was in response to Courtney's article titled "The
> Scariest Knock-Knock Joke Ever" with this PowerPoint presentation
> included:
>
> http://media.right-mind.us/right-mind/knock_knock.pps
>
> Jokes are jokes. You can make fun of his policies, his concepts, his
> ideals. But when the knock-knock joke ends with Obama stating "Eyes yo
> new prezident", I consider it racist.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>>
>> If he was decent, or had good taste, he wouldn't have posted it in the
>> first place. Unbelievable! T
>>
>> TAKE IT DOWN!
>>
>> Ellen A. Roskovich
>>> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:43:06 -0700> From: chasuk at gmail.com> To:
> than> sen at moscow.com> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: Re:
> [Vision2020]
> Say
> Wh> at?> > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 05:41, Tom Hansen
> <thansen at moscow.com>> wrote:> > > "Barack Obama Shows up at the pearly
> gates, and St. Peter
> sa> ys, 'Who are> > you?'> > > 'Barack Obama, the first black
> president of
>> the United States!'> > > St. Peter says, 'Never heard of you -- when
>> did
>> you get get elected?'> > > 'About 20 minutes ago.'"> > > - cdwitmer,
>> as
> d> isplayed on Dale Courtney's Right-Mind Blog (September 25,> >
> 2008)> >
> Th> at is incredibly unfunny. I hope Dale displays the good taste of>
> taking
> it> down.> >
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> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:33:35 GMT
> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Say What (Some More)?
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
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> "We do not support government bailouts of private institutions.
> Government
> interference in the markets exacerbates problems in the marketplace and
> causes the free market to take longer to correct itself."
>
> - From the 2008 Republican Party Platform, under "Rebuilding Home
> Ownership" at
>
> http://www.gop.com/2008Platform/Economy.htm#6
>
> Seeya at Farmers' Market, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
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> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
> students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
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> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:31:00 -0700
> From: roger hayes <rhayes at turbonet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Unfriendly Church
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
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>>
> Yet another church with a political agenda? Why in the world would they
> care? The Crossing is a quiet, unique dining establishment catering to
> an upscale clientele. This "church" bent the zoning rules by placing a
> day care in the old Goodwill store downtown. There is more to this
> story than the complaint implies.
> Roger Hayes
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 8:46:48 -0400
>> From: <joekc at roadrunner.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] What Makes Moscow Business-Unfriendly?
>> To: Saundra Lund <sslund_2007 at verizon.net>
>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Message-ID:
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>> Again I'm having trouble understanding this and maybe someone can
>> help.
>>
>> At the very bottom of the article is says: "The CROSSing members say
>> allowing beer and wine
>> near the church endangers children and could cause crime."
>>
>> Yet they moved their church next to an establishment that sells
>> alcohol anyway?
>>
>> --
>> Joe Campbell
>>
>
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> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:53:44 -0700
> From: Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Unfriendly Church
> To: roger hayes <rhayes at turbonet.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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> Heavens to Betsy! A Church and a children's day care across the
> street from a Chinese restaurant that serves BEER with it's rice and
> noodles!
>
> Interesting. . . . .
>
> Ellen A. Roskovich
>> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:31:00 -0700> From: rhayes at turbonet.com> To:
>> vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Unfriendly Church> >
>> >> Yet another church with a political agenda? Why in the world would
>> they > care? The Crossing is a quiet, unique dining establishment
>> catering to > an upscale clientele. This "church" bent the zoning
>> rules by placing a > day care in the old Goodwill store downtown.
>> There is more to this > story than the complaint implies.> Roger
>> Hayes> >> > Message: 2> > Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 8:46:48 -0400> >
>> From: <joekc at roadrunner.com>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] What Makes
>> Moscow Business-Unfriendly?> > To: Saundra Lund
>> <sslund_2007 at verizon.net>> > Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com> >
>> Message-ID:> >
>> <9675467.425611222346808798.JavaMail.root at cdptpa-web09-z02>> >
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8> >> > Again I'm having
>> trouble understanding this and maybe someone can help.> >> > At the
>> very bottom of the article is says: "The CROSSing members say > !
>> allowing beer and wine> > near the church endangers children and
>> could cause crime."> >> > Yet they moved their church next to an
>> establishment that sells > > alcohol anyway?> >> > --> > Joe
>> Campbell> >> >
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