[Vision2020] FW: 9/11

lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Mon Sep 8 13:48:43 PDT 2008 

This is one of those rare time I would agree with Adreas.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "Andreas Schou" ophite at gmail.com
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:48:18 -0700
To: "Levi Cavener" lcavener at vandals.uidaho.edu
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW: 9/11

> Levi --
> 
> I think you, along with all other 9/11 truthers, are crazy.
> 
> The best false-flag operation the government could come up with
> required crashing two planes into the World Trade Center *and* blowing
> them up, rather than just planting explosives, as would be reasonable?
> 
> -- ACS
> 
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:23 PM, Levi Cavener
> <lcavener at vandals.uidaho.edu> wrote:
> >
> > The movie zeitgeist (part 1) has done a pretty good job summing up the 9/11
> > conspiracy theories.  The movie is for free at
> > http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ - I don't know if I'm convinced of a total
> > government conspiracy but there is some pretty compelling evidence such as
> > the fact that some of the supposed hijackers were never even on the
> > airplanes and are, in fact, still alive today.  One of the supposed
> > hijacker's (Satam Al Suqami) passport apparently defied the laws and physics
> > and somehow escaped burning when the airplane hit the WTO, again escaped the
> > WTO collapsing, and somehow fell nice and pretty on the street below for a
> > FBI officer to find - all this when it turns out that Satam is apparently
> > alive and well - one of many members of the supposed 911 hijacking who never
> > were in the airplanes to begin with
> > (http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/passport.html and
> > http://www.welfarestate.com/911/)  I think there is some compelling evidence
> > out there that severely contradicts the 9/11 commission report even if it
> > doesn't mean a total government conspiracy.
> >
> > ~Esto Perpetua
> >
> > Levi Cavener
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:59:02 -0700
> >> From: ophite at gmail.com
> >> To: jeffh at moscow.com
> >> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 9/11
> >>
> >> > Throw out the barb - then duck the issue.
> >> > Here is a Wikipedia link to 911 conspiracy theories. You might find it
> >> > informative.
> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories
> >> >
> >> >> > It is modern history and yet, already we have groups within our
> >> >> > borders
> >> >> > which attempt to persuade us that 911 was a government conspiracy. '
> >> >>
> >> >> Don't look at me. Look across the water in Minneapolis, at the Ron
> >> >> Paul paraconvention.
> >> >
> >> > Same old name calling - an example of your basic human decency?
> >>
> >> Jeff --
> >>
> >> I was unaware that the majority of Americans needed to be reminded
> >> that al-Qaeda was responsible for 9/11, or that those people would be
> >> impressed by a video displayed at the Republican National Convention
> >> during a presidential candidate's speech. There are Americans that
> >> deny the Holocaust. There are Americans deny that we landed on the
> >> moon.
> >>
> >> Those people weren't at the Democratic convention.
> >>
> >> Or, well, they were. But they were throwing bricks at us. Same guys
> >> showed up in St. Paul this year, too, plus the Paulites.
> >>
> >> >> > And the notion that political parties should not utilize video to
> >> >> > engage
> >> >> > Americans
> >> >> > in a reminder of the event is naive at best.
> >> >>
> >> >> The notion that a political party should not use a great American
> >> >> tragedy as a political cudgel is basic human decency, a concept about
> >> >> which your Torture Party seems to have entirely forgotten.
> >> >> Unfortunately, after the last six years, it appears to be naive to
> >> >> expect them not to.
> >> >
> >> > Oh, I was on the record for each of those things ... where were you?
> >> >
> >> >> > And your hypocrisy is so blatant - your "world view" is so skewed.
> >> >> > Where is
> >> >> > your "outrage" at the bilge spewed by Michael Moore. Why have you not
> >> >> > condemned MoveOn.org for their endorsement of his film during the
> >> >> > 2004
> >> >> > presidential campaign.
> >> >>
> >> >> Not this again. Here, let me give the 'condemn this!' game a try. Why
> >> >> haven't I ever heard you condemn the Watergate break-in? Isn't it a
> >> >> little suspicious that you've never said anything negative about the
> >> >> Holocaust? Where's your outrage at Swift Boat Veterans for Truth?
> >> >>
> >> >> Now, Jeff, why aren't you on the record saying anything bad about any
> >> >> of these things? Hint: it wasn't the topic of our conversation*.
> >> >
> >> > Given your feelings about the opening video for the RNC, it would
> >> > perhaps
> >> > enlightening for you to view the Fahrenheit 911 movie and its role in
> >> > the
> >> > 2004 elections.
> >> >
> >> > And if you are not a member of MoveOn.org, are you aware of it and its
> >> > role
> >> > in advancing the candidacy of Barack Obama?
> >>
> >> Sure. Great. Are you aware of G. Gordon Liddy and his role in
> >> advancing the candidacy of John McCain? How about the role of Sun
> >> Myung Moon? Or, hell, Jack Abramoff? Doug Coe? Luis Posada? John
> >> Poindexter? The American Issues Project? There is a broad miscellany
> >> of cult leaders, smear artists, traitors, terrorists, and felons
> >> supporting the Republican party this year. As there is every year.
> >>
> >> You might notice that this list is composed of supporters whom McCain
> >> hasn't taken the time to condemn. This is, of course, because the
> >> country is divided roughly in half, and the parties representing each
> >> half pretty much divide the assholes between them. I'm not going to
> >> speak for the whole party (here's a name: Wen Ho Lee), but Obama has,
> >> for instance, cut off personal access to major donors to MoveOn. Has
> >> McCain done something similar for (let's say) the American Issues
> >> Project*?
> >>
> >> -- ACS
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