[Vision2020] God supports Obama

Mon Sep 1 21:33:14 PDT 2008

The fact is the sign not only existed but was also crowed about by some GMA
members and other "conservatives" in the community, whether you like it or
not.  And, whether you like it or not, the GMA people/person behind the sign
are a great example of the point I made in my email.

I know it must be very distressing for you to have to live in the Real World
where facts are meaningful, so you go right ahead and keep living in your
fantasy World According to Crabtree.  You remind me of a little boy who
screws his eyes shut, sticks his fingers in his ears, and shouts  "LA LA LA
LA" at the top of his lungs when confronted with a reality you don't like.

And, quite frankly, that's why I don't care to discuss things with you.
Your mind is more than closed and you don't care to discuss things - you
just want to ridicule, insult, and disrespect those who don't agree with you
rather than engage in meaningful discussion.  I remember when you first
appeared on V2020:  I was looking forward to your participation and to
exchanging thoughts and ideas.  Unfortunately, it didn't take long for your
true colors to show.

All of that is a long way from where this started:  Dan Carscallen resorted
to stereotyping Moscow's progressives when one of them did something he
personally found offensive, and he came out swinging.  It's too bad he
doesn't direct the same kind of ire towards behavior of his associates
that's offensive to the other sides of the aisle, as I rightly pointed out.
Had I don't something like what Carscallen did, you would have been all over
me in a New York minute:  you know it, I know it, and so does everyone who's
read your diatribes here.

So, you go right ahead and keep your undies in a wad about what those who
disagree with you say/write/do while continuing to bury your head in the
sand to the less-than-neighborly behavior of those with whom you identify.
Be as rude and disrespectful as you like to those with whom you disagree
because you seem to thrive on being divisive rather than constructive.  You
are nothing if not the King of the Double Standard.  You must be so proud.

And, please keep responding in type - it's so predictable and provides high
entertainment value!

Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.

~ Edmund Burke

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70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
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From: g. crabtree [mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:49 PM
To: Saundra Lund; 'v2020'
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] God supports Obama

So that's it? A sign you "heard" about? That covers your silly claim of
"hatemongering, divisiveness, and name calling" that you claim you hear from
"Moscow's conservatives? Assuming that such a sign actually existed, how
many people do you think it might have been required to create it? I'm
guessing it would have been one. If your sign existed at all, how come it
doesn't fall into the same category as Bill's little rib tickler? I know, I
know. Conservative evil, progressive saintly. I think I'm going to be ill.

Also the quaint notion that I should have to do "homework" to bare out your
preposterous contentions is amusing to say the least. If you are going to
make a bold claim, back it up. Expecting me to research you petulant claim
is asking more of my time than your petty assertion is worth. Sorry.

You are correct in one respect. (finally, stopped clock syndrome i'm
guessing) I am not a member of any "in crowd." As has been famously and
frequently repeated in the past, any club that would admit the likes of me
is a club I want no part of. Unlike liberalism, being  conservative isn't
about proving to your friends how cool and "with it" you are.

Ta,

g  

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Saundra Lund <mailto:sslund_2007 at verizon.net>  

To: 'g. crabtree' <mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com>  ; 'v2020'
<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>  

Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 6:30 PM

Subject: RE: [Vision2020] God supports Obama

You can play dumb all you want, but I'm not buying it.  Either you're being
disingenuous or you're simply not a member of the "in" "conservative" crowd.

If your ignorance is genuine, why don't you ask your pals about the sign
that was on Susan Wilson's (GMA co-secretary) door the morning after the
election.  Some "conservative" community members found it hilarious, and a
photo was passed around, complete with spelling errors.  It was quite the
talk amongst some GMA members - even I heard about it from  a couple of GMA
members who didn't think it funny and thought it typical of the divisiveness
some of their "crowd" took pride in and just plain bad sportsmanship.   I
can't help it if you were left out of the "fun."

So, there's just one example for you.  In the future, do your own homework
because I'm not inclined to do it for you again.

Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.

~ Edmund Burke

***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through life plus
70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
author.*****

From: g. crabtree [mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 5:52 PM
To: Saundra Lund; 'Dan Carscallen'; 'v2020'
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] God supports Obama

I'm curious what it is you are talking about.

"Perhaps every time I see a conservative on the street - or in City Hall --
I should ask if all Moscow's "conservatives" agree with the hatemongering &
divisiveness & name calling - including that which took place the day after
our last city election - I hear from Moscow's "conservatives.""

I seem to recall most of Moscow's conservative element being moderately
pleased with the out come of our last city election and recall no
hatemongering, divisiveness, or name calling on the day after. At least not
from our side. Perhaps you're recalling the buzz going round in the
coffeeklatch's where the incumbents were trying to shorten their faces and
regaling the faithful with mournful tales of what might have been? 

g

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