[Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 29, Issue 3

[No Weatherman]

Donald:

MSM stands for mainstream media.

The MSM are all those hard working news sources that have worked day
and night to tell us everything Ms Lund knows about Gov Palin while
they did nothing to inform us about Obama's two years at Columbia.

The MSM are all those diligent investigative reporters who worked
tirelessly to discover that Gov Palin didn't have an abortion but
haven't told us Jack Shiite about Obama's Kenyan father, his homeless
brother, his illegal alien aunt, and his Communist-Sharia Law
supporter cousin-thug Odinga.

The MSM are all those fat assed news corporations that give the thumbs
up sign to the LA Times as they sit on a video tape of Obama toasting
a former PLO terrorist as he sits next to domestic terrorists Bill
Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn.

The MSM are those lazy reporters who camp out at Joe the Plumber's
house for four days, rifling through his trash and reporting
information that Obama operatives obtained illegally from state
sources, but who refuse to ask the hard, penetrating questions of
Obama like, "How could you sit through Jermemiah Wright's unrelenting
hate mongering for 20 years and claim that you never heard that racist
pig monger hate?"

The MSM would be the criminally negligent fourth branch of the US
government that has an absolute obligation to exercise free speech to
expose government corruption lest they become a party to it.

That's the mainstream media.



On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:57 AM, donald edwards
<donaledwards at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Can someone tell me what "msm" stands for?  I'm one of the dumber pests on
> the list and have only heard this in my life coming from Mr./Mrs./both?
> No.Man.
>
> Thanks, Don
>
>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Re: John McCain not Born in US, But Panama (Ellen Roskovich)
>> 2. Re: We've All Misunderstood the First Amendment in the World
>> According to Palin (g. crabtree)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:18:26 -0700
>> From: Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama
>> To: jeanlivingston <jeanlivingston at turbonet.com>,
>> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Message-ID: <COL103-W25EE2430A0B14D30FADD37E2230 at phx.gbl>
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>>
>> Yep. . . . that's what everyone thinks. But I also think the law might be
>> a little more complicated than that on a case by case basis. I would hope I
>> was given the correct info in London 40 years ago. . . . not that it matters
>> now because we jumped through all the hoops necessary and Kathleen has never
>> expressed any desire to run for office. Getting her very own passport for
>> the first time was an interesting experience though. . . especially when the
>> clerk at Latah County courthouse, holding a certified copy of her birth
>> issued from the archives at Washington, D.C., tells immigration in Seattle
>> that she "has no proof of citizenship".
>>
>> Because this could drag on and on in a back and forth unnecessary
>> discussion, I will tell you what I was told in London right up front 40
>> years ago.
>>
>> As I stated before. . . Kathleen was born in a U.S. military hospital in
>> the U.K. My first husband was in the military and at the time of her birth
>> was in Vietnam and not assigned to a base there in the U.K. Maybe the Status
>> of Forces Agreement doesn't apply in the same way in this case. Also, my
>> first husband was born outside the U.S. and was a naturalized citizen. So
>> only one of Kathleen's parents was a natural born citizen. A very serious
>> government official took me in his office and stressed the importance of me
>> understanding that my daughter's citizenship was "conditional" at this time
>> and she would have to reside in the United States for seven consecutive
>> years between the ages of 14 and 28. That's when I asked if she could ever
>> become president and I was told "no".
>>
>> So that's the story in a nutshell.
>>
>> And in mulling it all over I would guess McCain's dad was probably
>> assigned to duty in Panama and both his parents were natural born citizens.
>> . . . so he's good to go. And Obama was born to a natural born mother in the
>> state of Hawaii and it doesn't matter if he was dragged as a kid half-way
>> around the world and attended schools in other countries. . . he's good to
>> go. I'm sure this has been hashed out years ago by a multitude of lawyers.
>>
>> So. . . . go vote. And after you vote for that one, you'll have a little
>> smile on your face because you've just exercised your right as a citizen.
>>
>> Ellen A. Roskovich
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 04:34:07 -0700From: jeanlivingston at turbonet.comTo:
>> donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; vision2020 at moscow.com;
>> gussie443 at hotmail.comSubject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US,
>> But Panama
>> Donovan's understanding accords with mine. If one of your parents was a US
>> Citizen when you were born, then you are a citizen, too, regardless of where
>> you were born.
>> Bruce Livingston
>> -----Original message-----From: Donovan Arnold
>> donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.comDate: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:46:01 -0700To:
>> vision2020 at moscow.com, Ellen Roskovich gussie443 at hotmail.comSubject: Re:
>> [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> Ellen,> > As I
>> understand the law (,8 USC 1401) a person is a natural born citizen of the
>> United States if they were;> > A) Born on US soil. Any state or territory. >
>> > B) Either one of their parents was a US Citizen at the time of their birth
>> but born on foreign soil. > > A naturalized citizen is one that is not a US
>> citizen at birth. Anyone who became a citizen later on in life is not
>> allowed to be President or Vice-President. > > Best Regards,> > Donovan> >
>> --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Ellen Roskovich wrote:> > From: Ellen Roskovich >
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> To:
>> donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, vision2020 at moscow.com> Date: Friday, October
>> 31, 2008, 2:25 PM> > > > > #yiv2119640095 .hmmessage P> {>!
>> margin:0px;padding:0px;}> #yiv2119640095 {>
>> FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;}> > I have read that since he, McCain,
>> was born in a U.S. Naval Hospital in Panama, he is considered a native born
>> citizen. . . and this is where I get a little fuzzy. Is this a new rule?
>> Because my oldest daughter was born in the U.K. at RAF Lakenheath, a U.S.
>> Airforce Hospital and when I registered her birth at the U.S. Embassy in
>> London, I asked if she could run for President and I was told "no". Of
>> course I might have had a clerk who didn't know the rules, but surely I
>> wasn't the first person to ask that question.> > Like I said. . . . I'm a
>> little fuzzy about the qualifications of that McCain guy, but last time I
>> checked, Hawaii was a state.> > Ellen A. Roskovich> > P.S. Avoid lines, vote
>> early and then spend Tuesday helping others get out to vote.> > > > > > >
>> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:06:54 -0700> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: [Vision2020] !
>> John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> > > > > > > > John McCain was not
>> born in the US. and using Republican arguments against Obama, McCain is thus
>> not qualified to be President.> > McCain was born in Panama. > > Best
>> Regards,> > Donovan> > > > You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes
>> beyond your PC. See how
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>> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:31:34 -0700
>> From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] We've All Misunderstood the First Amendment
>> in the World According to Palin
>> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>, "Saundra Lund"
>> <sslund_2007 at verizon.net>
>> Cc: 'Vision 2020' <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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>> Didn't one of our most esteemed on again, off again members make the same
>> argument?
>>
>> "I worry about the V. Of course, I've been unable to post without one pest
>> or another for about two years now, but it seems that since its worked so
>> well against me, various forces have decided to try it on everyone else. I
>> lament what seems to me to be the loss of free speech in Moscow."
>>
>> It appears to me that this fellow feels that his freedom of speech is
>> being denied because he can't say any damn fool thing he wants without some
>> peon who is nowhere near as smart or as cool as he is questioning him or,
>> worse yet, disagreeing. This person has informed us that he is very
>> intelligent and many of the regulars on this list have expressed their
>> concurrence. With all this in mind I should think that Mrs. Palin would be
>> promoted to at least the level of philosophy professor with all the respect
>> and deference that lofty title entails.
>>
>> g
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>> To: "Saundra Lund" <sslund_2007 at verizon.net>
>> Cc: "'Vision 2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] We've All Misunderstood the First Amendment in
>> the World According to Palin
>>
>>
>> > Criticizing someone's public statements threatens their rights?
>> >
>> > Do what you can to keep this person out of the most powerful position in
>> > the most powerful nation on earth. Please.
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> > Saundra Lund wrote:
>> >> <groan>
>> >>
>> >> http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/palin-fears-med.html
>> >>
>> >> Palin Fears Media Threaten Her First Amendment Rights
>> >> October 31, 2008 11:25 AM
>> >>
>> >> ABC News' Steven Portnoy reports: In a conservative radio interview
>> >> that
>> >> aired in Washington, D.C. Friday morning, Republican vice presidential
>> >> nominee Gov. Sarah Palin said she fears her First Amendment rights may
>> >> be
>> >> threatened by "attacks" from reporters who suggest she is engaging in a
>> >> negative campaign against Barack Obama.
>> >>
>> >> Palin told WMAL-AM that her criticism of Obama's associations, like
>> >> those
>> >> with 1960s radical Bill Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, should not
>> >> be
>> >> considered negative attacks. Rather, for reporters or columnists to
>> >> suggest
>> >> that it is going negative may constitute an attack that threatens a
>> >> candidate's free speech rights under the Constitution, Palin said.
>> >>
>> >> "If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative
>> >> campaigning,
>> >> for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations," Palin told host
>> >> Chris
>> >> Plante, "then I don't know what the future of our country would be in
>> >> terms
>> >> of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear
>> >> of
>> >> attacks by the mainstream media."
>> >>
>> >> However she feels about the way her story has been told in the press,
>> >> Palin
>> >> told WMAL she is not discouraged.
>> >>
>> >> "It's sort of perplexing to me, because I'm a practical person and
>> >> plainspoken also, but just cutting to the chase and calling things like
>> >> I
>> >> see them, just like most Americans. But this has not left a bitter
>> >> taste in
>> >> my mouth, the bitter shots taken by the mainstream media and by some of
>> >> the
>> >> elitism there in Washington," Palin said.
>> >>
>> >> "What this has left me with is a very energized and positive feeling
>> >> about
>> >> America, because there are enough Americans who are desiring the
>> >> positive
>> >> change that John McCain's gonna usher in."
>> >>
>> >> Plante then suggested that in her next sit-down interview, Palin should
>> >> tap
>> >> the reporter on the knee and ask, "So who you votin' for?"
>> >>
>> >> Palin laughed and said, "Yeah, maybe that just would say it all."
>> >>
>> >> "I'm gonna try that," she said.
>> >>
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