[Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 29, Issue 3

Sat Nov 1 10:57:11 PDT 2008

Can someone tell me what "msm" stands for?  I'm one of the dumber pests on the list and have only heard this in my life coming from Mr./Mrs./both? No.Man.

Thanks, Don> From: vision2020-request at moscow.com> Subject: Vision2020 Digest, Vol 29, Issue 3> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:31:39 -0700> > Send Vision2020 mailing list submissions to> vision2020 at moscow.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> vision2020-request at moscow.com> > You can reach the person managing the list at> vision2020-owner at moscow.com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Vision2020 digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: John McCain not Born in US, But Panama (Ellen Roskovich)> 2. Re: We've All Misunderstood the First Amendment in the World> According to Palin (g. crabtree)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:18:26 -0700> From: Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> To: jeanlivingston <jeanlivingston at turbonet.com>,> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>> Message-ID: <COL103-W25EE2430A0B14D30FADD37E2230 at phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > Yep. . . . that's what everyone thinks. But I also think the law might be a little more complicated than that on a case by case basis. I would hope I was given the correct info in London 40 years ago. . . . not that it matters now because we jumped through all the hoops necessary and Kathleen has never expressed any desire to run for office. Getting her very own passport for the first time was an interesting experience though. . . especially when the clerk at Latah County courthouse, holding a certified copy of her birth issued from the archives at Washington, D.C., tells immigration in Seattle that she "has no proof of citizenship". > > Because this could drag on and on in a back and forth unnecessary discussion, I will tell you what I was told in London right up front 40 years ago.> > As I stated before. . . Kathleen was born in a U.S. military hospital in the U.K. My first husband was in the military and at the time of her birth was in Vietnam and not assigned to a base there in the U.K. Maybe the Status of Forces Agreement doesn't apply in the same way in this case. Also, my first husband was born outside the U.S. and was a naturalized citizen. So only one of Kathleen's parents was a natural born citizen. A very serious government official took me in his office and stressed the importance of me understanding that my daughter's citizenship was "conditional" at this time and she would have to reside in the United States for seven consecutive years between the ages of 14 and 28. That's when I asked if she could ever become president and I was told "no".> > So that's the story in a nutshell.> > And in mulling it all over I would guess McCain's dad was probably assigned to duty in Panama and both his parents were natural born citizens. . . . so he's good to go. And Obama was born to a natural born mother in the state of Hawaii and it doesn't matter if he was dragged as a kid half-way around the world and attended schools in other countries. . . he's good to go. I'm sure this has been hashed out years ago by a multitude of lawyers.> > So. . . . go vote. And after you vote for that one, you'll have a little smile on your face because you've just exercised your right as a citizen.> > Ellen A. Roskovich> > > > > > > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 04:34:07 -0700From: jeanlivingston at turbonet.comTo: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; gussie443 at hotmail.comSubject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> Donovan's understanding accords with mine. If one of your parents was a US Citizen when you were born, then you are a citizen, too, regardless of where you were born. > Bruce Livingston> -----Original message-----From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.comDate: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:46:01 -0700To: vision2020 at moscow.com, Ellen Roskovich gussie443 at hotmail.comSubject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> Ellen,> > As I understand the law (,8 USC 1401) a person is a natural born citizen of the United States if they were;> > A) Born on US soil. Any state or territory. > > B) Either one of their parents was a US Citizen at the time of their birth but born on foreign soil. > > A naturalized citizen is one that is not a US citizen at birth. Anyone who became a citizen later on in life is not allowed to be President or Vice-President. > > Best Regards,> > Donovan> > --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Ellen Roskovich wrote:> > From: Ellen Roskovich > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, vision2020 at moscow.com> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 2:25 PM> > > > > #yiv2119640095 .hmmessage P> {>!> margin:0px;padding:0px;}> #yiv2119640095 {> FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;}> > I have read that since he, McCain, was born in a U.S. Naval Hospital in Panama, he is considered a native born citizen. . . and this is where I get a little fuzzy. Is this a new rule? Because my oldest daughter was born in the U.K. at RAF Lakenheath, a U.S. Airforce Hospital and when I registered her birth at the U.S. Embassy in London, I asked if she could run for President and I was told "no". Of course I might have had a clerk who didn't know the rules, but surely I wasn't the first person to ask that question.> > Like I said. . . . I'm a little fuzzy about the qualifications of that McCain guy, but last time I checked, Hawaii was a state.> > Ellen A. Roskovich> > P.S. Avoid lines, vote early and then spend Tuesday helping others get out to vote.> > > > > > > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:06:54 -0700> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: [Vision2020] !> John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> > > > > > > > John McCain was not born in the US. and using Republican arguments against Obama, McCain is thus not qualified to be President.> > McCain was born in Panama. > > Best Regards,> > Donovan> > > > You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. See how =======================================================> List services made available by First Step Internet, > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. > http://www.fsr.net > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> =======================================================> > > > > _________________________________________________________________> Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive.> http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_102008> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20081101/f928c5ab/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:31:34 -0700> From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] We've All Misunderstood the First Amendment> in the World According to Palin> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>, "Saundra Lund"> <sslund_2007 at verizon.net>> Cc: 'Vision 2020' <vision2020 at moscow.com>> Message-ID: <C341AA6F1D694897A97B738CD0D4E8B3 at gmc>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Didn't one of our most esteemed on again, off again members make the same argument?> > "I worry about the V. Of course, I've been unable to post without one pest or another for about two years now, but it seems that since its worked so well against me, various forces have decided to try it on everyone else. I lament what seems to me to be the loss of free speech in Moscow."> > It appears to me that this fellow feels that his freedom of speech is being denied because he can't say any damn fool thing he wants without some peon who is nowhere near as smart or as cool as he is questioning him or, worse yet, disagreeing. This person has informed us that he is very intelligent and many of the regulars on this list have expressed their concurrence. With all this in mind I should think that Mrs. Palin would be promoted to at least the level of philosophy professor with all the respect and deference that lofty title entails.> > g> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>> To: "Saundra Lund" <sslund_2007 at verizon.net>> Cc: "'Vision 2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:00 AM> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] We've All Misunderstood the First Amendment in the World According to Palin> > > > Criticizing someone's public statements threatens their rights?> > > > Do what you can to keep this person out of the most powerful position in > > the most powerful nation on earth. Please.> > > > Paul> > > > Saundra Lund wrote:> >> <groan>> >>> >> http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/palin-fears-med.html> >>> >> Palin Fears Media Threaten Her First Amendment Rights> >> October 31, 2008 11:25 AM> >>> >> ABC News' Steven Portnoy reports: In a conservative radio interview that> >> aired in Washington, D.C. Friday morning, Republican vice presidential> >> nominee Gov. Sarah Palin said she fears her First Amendment rights may be> >> threatened by "attacks" from reporters who suggest she is engaging in a> >> negative campaign against Barack Obama.> >>> >> Palin told WMAL-AM that her criticism of Obama's associations, like those> >> with 1960s radical Bill Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, should not be> >> considered negative attacks. Rather, for reporters or columnists to suggest> >> that it is going negative may constitute an attack that threatens a> >> candidate's free speech rights under the Constitution, Palin said.> >>> >> "If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning,> >> for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations," Palin told host Chris> >> Plante, "then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms> >> of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of> >> attacks by the mainstream media." > >>> >> However she feels about the way her story has been told in the press, Palin> >> told WMAL she is not discouraged.> >>> >> "It's sort of perplexing to me, because I'm a practical person and> >> plainspoken also, but just cutting to the chase and calling things like I> >> see them, just like most Americans. But this has not left a bitter taste in> >> my mouth, the bitter shots taken by the mainstream media and by some of the> >> elitism there in Washington," Palin said.> >>> >> "What this has left me with is a very energized and positive feeling about> >> America, because there are enough Americans who are desiring the positive> >> change that John McCain's gonna usher in." > >>> >> Plante then suggested that in her next sit-down interview, Palin should tap> >> the reporter on the knee and ask, "So who you votin' for?"> >>> >> Palin laughed and said, "Yeah, maybe that just would say it all."> >>> >> "I'm gonna try that," she said.> >>> >> =======================================================> >> List services made available by First Step Internet, > >> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. > >> http://www.fsr.net > >> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> >> =======================================================> >>> >> > > > > > > =======================================================> > List services made available by First Step Internet, > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. > > http://www.fsr.net > > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> > =======================================================> >> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20081101/753578ea/attachment.html > > ------------------------------> > =======================================================> List services made available by First Step Internet, > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. > http://www.fsr.net > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> =======================================================> > End of Vision2020 Digest, Vol 29, Issue 3> *****************************************
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