[Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama

Sat Nov 1 06:18:26 PDT 2008

Yep. . . . that's what everyone thinks.  But I also  think the law might be a little more complicated than that on a case by case basis.  I would hope I was given the correct info in London 40 years ago. . . . not that it matters now because we jumped through all the hoops necessary and Kathleen has never expressed any desire to run for office.  Getting her very own passport for the first time was an interesting experience though. . . especially when the clerk at  Latah County courthouse, holding a certified copy of her birth issued from the archives at Washington, D.C., tells immigration in Seattle that she "has no proof of citizenship".  

Because this could drag on and on in a back and forth unnecessary discussion, I will tell you what I was told in London right up front 40 years ago.

As I stated before. . . Kathleen was born in a U.S. military hospital in the U.K.  My first husband was in the military and at the time of her birth was in Vietnam and not assigned to a base there in the U.K.  Maybe the Status of Forces Agreement doesn't apply in the same way in this case.  Also, my first husband was born outside the U.S. and was a naturalized citizen.  So only one of Kathleen's parents was a natural born citizen.  A very serious government official took me in his office and stressed the importance of me understanding that my daughter's citizenship was "conditional" at this time and she would have to reside in the United States for seven consecutive years between the ages of 14 and 28.  That's when I asked if she could ever become president and I was told "no".

So that's the story in a nutshell.

And in mulling it all over I would guess McCain's dad was probably assigned to duty in Panama and both his parents were natural born citizens. . . . so he's good to go.  And Obama was born to a natural born mother in the state of Hawaii and it doesn't matter if he was dragged as a kid half-way around the world and attended schools in other countries. . . he's good to go.  I'm sure this has been hashed out years ago by a multitude of lawyers.

So. . . . go vote.  And after you vote for that one, you'll have a little smile on your face because you've just exercised your right as a citizen.

Ellen A. Roskovich

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 04:34:07 -0700From: jeanlivingston at turbonet.comTo: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; gussie443 at hotmail.comSubject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama
Donovan's understanding accords with mine.  If one of your parents was a US Citizen when you were born, then you are a citizen, too, regardless of where you were born.  
Bruce Livingston
-----Original message-----From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.comDate: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:46:01 -0700To: vision2020 at moscow.com, Ellen Roskovich gussie443 at hotmail.comSubject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> Ellen,>  > As I understand the law (,8 USC 1401) a person is a natural born citizen of the United States if they were;>  > A) Born on US soil. Any state or territory. >  > B) Either one of their parents was a US Citizen at the time of their birth but born on foreign soil. >  > A naturalized citizen is one that is not a US citizen at birth. Anyone who became a citizen later on in life is not allowed to be President or Vice-President. >  > Best Regards,>  > Donovan>  > --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Ellen Roskovich wrote:> > From: Ellen Roskovich > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, vision2020 at moscow.com> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 2:25 PM> > > > > #yiv2119640095 .hmmessage P> {> margin:0px;padding:0px;}> #yiv2119640095 {> FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;}> > I have read that since he, McCain, was born in a U.S. Naval Hospital in Panama, he is considered a native born citizen. . . and this is where I get a little fuzzy.  Is this a new rule?  Because my oldest daughter was born in the U.K. at RAF Lakenheath, a U.S. Airforce Hospital and when I registered her birth at the U.S. Embassy in London, I asked if she could run for President and I was told "no".  Of course I might have had a clerk who didn't know the rules, but surely I wasn't the first person to ask that question.>  > Like I said. . . . I'm a little fuzzy about the qualifications of that McCain guy, but last time I checked, Hawaii was a state.>  > Ellen A. Roskovich>  > P.S.  Avoid lines, vote early and then spend Tuesday helping others get out to vote.> > > > > > > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:06:54 -0700> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> > > > > > > > John McCain was not born in the US. and using Republican arguments against Obama, McCain is thus not qualified to be President.>  > McCain was born in Panama. >  > Best Regards,>  > Donovan> > > > You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. See how =======================================================> List services made available by First Step Internet, > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. > http://www.fsr.net > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> =======================================================> > > > 
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