[Vision2020] Sali Seeks to Delay Mexican Consulate
Tom Hansen
thansen at moscow.com
Sun May 4 15:02:34 PDT 2008
Jeesh!
If this wasn't so pitiful, it would almost be laughable.
Inquiring minds want to know:
What color is the sky in your world, Donnie-boy?
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
> Rev. Keely,
>
> Once again, you distort what I say, in the worst possible way, like
you do everyone
else, to try and show you are the moral elitist.
>
> The reality is, your email reveals that you are aware that Mexican
Consulates do in fact
issue ID cards to illegal immigrants so that they can deplete social
services and prevent
US citizens from getting services they need.
>
> You distort my view that I don't support basic rights for all humans.
I do. I just don't
believe that the US taxpayer ought to be required, nor can it afford, to
pay for the birth
of every child, care of every injured person, feeding of every mouth, and
the education of
every mind from any person and their children that wonder over our
boarders. Mexico needs
to take on the responsibility of educating and taking care of its own
people and children,
not dump it on another country.
>
> US people are very giving people. But Mexico needs to take care of its
own people, and
not place the burden of its citizens basic care and rights on the US
people. We cannot
afford it. Our schools are falling apart, they are not properly funded.
Our medical care
system is unaffordable to most US citizens now, our poor cannot get jobs
with livable
wages, our police are getting shot, and the roads are unfit for safe
comfortable travel.
The failing economy is now the top concern for most US citizens.
>
> I would think that if Keely was against mistreatment of humans, she
would be against
bringing them and encouraging them here to the US where they are being
used as modernized
industrialized slaves. Slavery is wrong. And she should support the ending
of illegal
transport of people like cattle to be exploited and treated as modern day
slaves, and be
against the greedy businesses that are exploiting them.
>
> And Keely is also ill informed about the Consulates advice on getting
past the boarder
and evading law enforcement officials. The Mexican Government
published: "Guia del
Migrante Mexicano"
>
> http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/GuiaDelMigranteMexicano.pdf?
docID=242
>
> You can also pick up a copy at your local Mexican Consulate.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
> keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
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> Donovan disputes my contention that foreign consulates, specifically
Mexican consulates,
do not exist to aid "illegal aliens" in procuring social services for
which they are not
legally entitled, and calls me dishonest and deceptive. He reveals that
he knows as
little of my moral character as he does the work of foreign consulates and
reminds us that
undocumented immigrants do, in fact, often receive taxpayer-funded social
services.
>
> And that's true. The United States does ensure access to emergency
medical treatment and
obstetric services -- in-hospital delivery of babies, not prenatal care --
to those who've
immigrated here without papers. Children whose parents lack papers are
legally entitled
to public school education, and many states provide drivers' licenses to
adults who pass
the licensing tests but may or may not have proper documents. I think
these things are
representative of our country's better nature; Donovan and his allies
disagree. But one
thing is certain: Mexican immigrants do not show up at Mexican consulates
in the U.S.
when they have a medical emergency or are about to give birth. They don't
seek a K-12
education from the consulate, which also does not issue U.S. drivers'
licenses. Further,
they don't seek or receive inside tips on sneaking into the country,
although I suppose
that Donovan may equate that with any help or counsel the consulate
offers. The consulate
does
> exist to ensure the legal rights of its citizens and is a clearinghouse
for information
on life in the United States. And while Donovan may recoil in horror at
the idea that
undocumented immigrants are entitled to certain basic human and civil
rights while here,
others of us are glad that the consulates are there to offer some
protection and support
to those who are the most vulnerable in our society. Its aid to its
citizens does not
equate to the consulate's delivering a vicious kick to America's
constitutional crotch.
To assert that the consulate exists to help cheat American taxpayers is
more than naive
and misinformed -- it's malicious and bigoted. Maybe Donovan doesn't know
any better, but
Rep. Sali ought to, although the bar for his grasp of political and
societal issues is set
pretty low. That consulates provide information and identification to
Mexicans, whether
legally immigrated or not, is indisputable. What I vehemently dispute is
that their
presence on
> U.S. soil is a risk to national security, community identity, cultural
health or legal
order.
>
> I wish I hadn't used "bullshit" to respond to Donovan; it's not terribly
becoming even for
those of us who are not reverends. But if my choice of wording was wrong,
the point
isn't, and I long for the day that rational discussion of U.S. immigration
policy replaces
the shrill xenophobia that surrounds us.
>
> Keely
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 00:06:09 -0700
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks to Delay Mexican Consulate
> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com; joekc at adelphia.net
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> Rev. Keely is being dishonest with her statements and intentionally
deceptive.
>
> Illegal aliens, the same as legal immigrants, in the US, are legally
entitled to get
education, emergency medical services, welfare, low income housing, and
other tax
supported services intended to go to US citizens. She knows courts have
ruled we cannot
deny these services based on legal status.
>
> So you can see her statement;
>
> "The consulates do not exist to help Mexican immigrants gain access to
taxpayer-supported social services to which they are not, by reason of
their immigration
status, legally entitled.",
>
> is a big meaningless pile of sh*t worded in a manner to make you
swallow it down that my
statement was false, when she knows it wasn't.
>
> The main function of Mexican Consulates is to get illegal aliens
access to US taxpayer
supported services. I said nothing about the illegality of the
entitlement.
>
> Each day 1000 illegal aliens alone visit the LA Mexican Consulate to
obtain "ID cards"
which they force local government, through federal law, to except in place
of US driver's
licenses and Visa, which only illegal immigrants do not have. This allows
the people here
illegally from Mexico to access state and federal services.
>
> Keely is aware of this fact. She is also aware that Consulates provide
legal and
financial assistance to illegal aliens so they can remain in the US. It is
also known that
the consulates provide pamphlets on how to avoid detection in the US while
here illegally
and how to cross the boarder illegally and not get caught.
>
> I am guessing that MOST readers on the V, are not so naive as to
believe that the reason
consulates exist, and they get tens or hundreds of thousands of visitors
by illegal aliens
each years, is to show support for diplomatic and trade relations with the
US and Mexico.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
> keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
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respond to Donovan
as someone who has spent a lot of time in the Mexican consulate in Seattle.
>
> Bulls**t.
>
> The consulates do not exist to help Mexican immigrants gain access to
taxpayer-supported
social services to which they are not, by reason of their immigration
status, legally
entitled. Suggesting that they do is recklessly, maliciously untrue. But
it is entirely
understandable coming from someone as misinformed on the issue as Donovan,
and as dense as
Bill Sali.
>
> Keely
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:01:27 -0700
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> To: joekc at adelphia.net
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks to Delay Mexican Consulate
>
> Joe,
>
> Are you serious? Or are you joking? If you have been anywhere outside
the protective
bubble of a University, you must be joking.
>
> First off, the only reason that Mexican Consulates exist is to get
illegal aliens access
to US government services, like welfare, unemployment benefits, food
stamps, diver's
licenses, gas vouchers, low income housing, legal aid, and jobs, that
would otherwise go
to US citizens.
>
> Second, you are wrong that Americans would not take farm work if the
farm work paid a
livable wage. If you believe that ANY workers should be allowed to be
paid a sub-livable
wage, than you sir, need to rethink your outlook on the value of a person.
>
> Third, your statements reveal your racists and stereotyped beliefs.
Illegal aliens are
not all a bunch of dumb, idiotic potato pickers making $4 an hour. Most of
them are
bright, intelligent, hard working inventive people, certainly more so than
the bottom 1/3
of US workers they are competing with in the US job market. They work in
the hospitality,
construction, manufacturing, agriculture, automotive, and almost every
other category in
the below middle class job market. Having 40,000 illegal immigrants in the
state willing
and able to work in the jobs lower class citizens can only do hurts their
wages. Why does
a business only pay a house cleaner $10 an hour instead of $12? Because he
can hire 30
others willing to do the work for the $10. Same goes for meat packers,
lawn services, farm
workers, and other services and industries.
>
> Joe, you don't live in the real world. You aren't forced to find a job
making $10 an
hour, and when you apply you are waiting with 20 others that are willing
to do the same
job for $9 and have 20 years experience, most of them not here legally?
How many times
have you had that happen to you, Joe? I bet none. You live in the fantasy
world where
illegals are bunch of dumb educated idiots that can only pick potatoes and
tomatoes for
$4. They are aren't carpenters, drivers, maids, painters, lawn care
providers,
manufacturers, and in other jobs reducing livable wages for the bottom 1/3
of the work US
workforce.
> Real wages are on a decline, and most US citizens are suffering as a
result of illegal
immigrants being allowed to work in the US for lower wages, and sometimes
illegal wages.
>
> Oppose Slavery, Joe. Oppose illegal immigration. Support livable wages
for all US
workers, Joe. Oppose illegal immigration.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:
> Donovan,
>
> How on earth will Sali's efforts "keep illegal activities and illegal
immigrants
> out of the state"? For that matter, what can the Mexican government do
to
> prove that they "won't aid illegal aliens" and earn a Mexican consulate
here?
>
> And just for the record, I'm sure that there are plenty of folks in
Idaho and
> Washington who would be willing to pay you sub-minimum wage to pick
fruit.
> The problem is not with the Mexican immigrants, and they aren't taking
away
> jobs that would otherwise go to American citizens.
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ---- Donovan Arnold wrote:
>
> =============
> I am voting to reelect Bill Sali precisely because he is attempting to
keep illegal
activities and illegal immigrants out of the state. Idaho has enough
problems getting
enough funding for its schools, and providing other social and medical
services. Having to
provide for thousands of others who are not legal residents is to much of
a burden for
poor Idahoans. An influx of labor also reduces wages, something we also
can ill afford in
Idaho.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
> Tom Hansen wrote:
> Just when you thought that Bill Sali couldn't get more ignorant, I am
here
> to tell you . . .
>
> >From today's (May 1, 2008) Spokesman Review -
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> Sali seeks to delay Mexican consulate
> Todd Dvorak
> Associated Press
> May 1, 2008
>
> BOISE – Rep. Bill Sali, R-Idaho, is urging Secretary of State
Condoleezza
> Rice to hold off opening a Mexican consulate in Idaho until the
government
> can show the office won't aid illegal aliens.
>
> Sali, a conservative first-term congressman, sent Rice a letter
Wednesday
> saying Idaho residents deserve guarantees that Mexican consular offices
> will not help illegal aliens obtain identification cards that can be
used
> to receive government services or other benefits.
>
> "Our government has the moral and constitutional duty to take into
> consideration how foreign consulates affect our fellow citizens here in
> our own country," Sali wrote in the letter to Rice that was made
available
> to news media.
>
> "While I appreciate the important role that the Mexican and other
foreign
> consulates play in facilitating trade and assisting their citizens in
> distress just as our foreign consulates do, that is not the issue at
stake
> here," he added.
>
> Sali asserted that the State Department has done little to assure
> residents that a consular office would not be used to aid illegal
> immigration.
>
> The State Department did not return phone messages from the Associated
> Press on Wednesday.
>
> In March, Sali received a letter from the State Department saying an
> application for a consular office in Boise is pending.
>
> Idaho is one of several states without a Mexican consulate, but a grass-
> roots effort to open one has been under way for several years.
Supporters
> say they have collected about 10,000 signatures on a petition requesting
a
> Mexican consular presence in the state.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
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