[Vision2020] Sali Seeks to Delay Mexican Consulate

Sun May 4 14:38:03 PDT 2008

Donovan --

You are misinformed.

It's frequently, and correctly, been ruled that illegal immigrants
can't be denied emergency health care, but the requirements to prove
citizenship for federally-funded services like Medicaid and TANF are
onerous at best*. In order to get either, you have to provide
documentation of both citizenship and identity: in other words, a
birth certificate and a driver's license.

-- ACS

P.S. Children of illegal immigrants born on American soil or American
citizens. If you disagree with that, go ahead and change the
Constitution -- it's in there, plain as day.

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Donovan Arnold
<donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Rev. Keely is being dishonest with her statements and intentionally
> deceptive.
>
> Illegal aliens, the same as legal immigrants, in the US, are legally
> entitled to get education, emergency medical services, welfare, low income
> housing, and other tax supported services intended to go to US citizens. She
> knows courts have ruled we cannot deny these services based on legal status.
>
> So you can see her statement
>
> "The consulates do not exist to help Mexican immigrants gain access to
> taxpayer-supported social services to which they are not, by reason of their
> immigration status, legally entitled.",
>
> is a big meaningless pile of sh*t worded in a manner to make you swallow it
> down that my statement was false, when she knows it wasn't.
>
> The main function of Mexican Consulates is to get illegal aliens access to
> US taxpayer supported services. I said nothing about the illegality of the
> entitlement.
>
> Each day 1000 illegal aliens alone visit the LA Mexican Consulate to obtain
> "ID cards" which they force local government, through federal law, to except
> in place of US driver's licenses and Visa, which only illegal immigrants do
> not have. This allows the people here illegally from Mexico to access state
> and federal services.
>
> Keely is aware of this fact. She is also aware that Consulates provide legal
> and financial assistance to illegal aliens so they can remain in the US. It
> is also known that the consulates provide pamphlets on how to avoid
> detection in the US while here illegally and how to cross the boarder
> illegally and not get caught.
>
> I am guessing that MOST readers on the V, are not so naive as to believe
> that the reason consulates exist, and they get tens or hundreds of thousands
> of visitors by illegal aliens each years, is to show support for diplomatic
> and trade relations with the US and Mexico.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
> keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
>
>  As politely as possible, let me respond to Donovan as someone who has spent
> a lot of time in the Mexican consulate in Seattle.
>
> Bulls**t.
>
> The consulates do not exist to help Mexican immigrants gain access to
> taxpayer-supported social services to which they are not, by reason of their
> immigration status, legally entitled.  Suggesting that they do is
> recklessly, maliciously untrue.  But it is entirely understandable coming
> from someone as misinformed on the issue as Donovan, and as dense as Bill
> Sali.
>
> Keely
>
>
>
>
>
>  ________________________________
>  Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:01:27 -0700
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> To: joekc at adelphia.net
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks to Delay Mexican Consulate
>
>
> Joe,
>
> Are you serious? Or are you joking? If you have been anywhere outside the
> protective bubble of a University, you must be joking.
>
> First off, the only reason that Mexican Consulates exist is to get illegal
> aliens access to US government services, like welfare, unemployment
> benefits, food stamps, diver's licenses, gas vouchers, low income housing,
> legal aid, and jobs, that would otherwise go to US citizens.
>
> Second, you are wrong that Americans would not take farm work if the farm
> work paid a livable wage. If you believe  that ANY workers should be allowed
> to be paid a sub-livable wage, than you sir, need to rethink your outlook on
> the value of a person.
>
> Third, your statements reveal your racists and stereotyped beliefs. Illegal
> aliens are not all a bunch of dumb, idiotic potato pickers making $4 an
> hour. Most of them are bright, intelligent, hard working inventive people,
> certainly more so than the bottom 1/3 of US workers they are competing with
> in the US job market. They work in the hospitality, construction,
> manufacturing, agriculture, automotive, and almost every other category in
> the below middle class job market. Having 40,000 illegal immigrants in the
> state willing and able to work in the jobs lower class citizens can only do
> hurts their wages. Why does a business only pay a house cleaner $10 an hour
> instead of $12? Because he can hire 30 others willing to do the work for the
> $10. Same goes for meat packers, lawn services, farm workers, and other
> services and industries.
>
> Joe, you don't live in the real world. You aren't forced to find a job
> making $10 an hour, and when you apply you are waiting with 20 others that
> are willing to do the same job for $9 and have 20 years experience, most of
> them not here legally? How many times have you had that happen to you, Joe?
> I bet none. You live in the fantasy world where illegals are bunch of dumb
> educated idiots that can only pick potatoes and tomatoes for $4. They are
> aren't carpenters, drivers, maids, painters, lawn care providers,
> manufacturers, and in other jobs reducing livable wages for the bottom 1/3
> of the work US workforce.
> Real wages are on a decline, and most US citizens are suffering as a result
> of illegal immigrants being allowed to work in the US for lower wages, and
> sometimes illegal wages.
>
> Oppose Slavery, Joe. Oppose illegal immigration. Support livable wages for
> all US workers, Joe. Oppose illegal immigration.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:
> Donovan,
>
> How on earth will Sali's efforts "keep illegal activities and illegal
> immigrants
> out of the state"? For that matter, what can the Mexican government do to
> prove that they "won't aid illegal aliens" and earn a Mexican consulate
> here?
>
> And just for the record, I'm sure that there are plenty of folks in Idaho
> and
> Washington who would be willing to pay you sub-minimum wage to pick fruit.
> The problem is not with the Mexican immigrants, and they aren't taking away
> jobs that would otherwise go to American citizens.
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ---- Donovan Arnold wrote:
>
> =============
> I am voting to reelect Bill Sali precisely because he is attempting to keep
> illegal activities and illegal immigrants out of the state. Idaho has enough
> problems getting enough funding for its schools, and providing other social
> and medical services. Having to provide for thousands of others who are not
> legal residents is to much of a burden for poor Idahoans. An influx of labor
> also reduces wages, something we also can ill afford in Idaho.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
> Tom Hansen wrote:
> Just when you thought that Bill Sali couldn't get more ignorant, I am here
> to tell you . . .
>
> >From today's (May 1, 2008) Spokesman Review -
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> Sali seeks to delay Mexican consulate
> Todd Dvorak
> Associated Press
> May 1, 2008
>
> BOISE – Rep. Bill Sali, R-Idaho, is urging Secretary of State Condoleezza
> Rice to hold off opening a Mexican consulate in Idaho until the government
> can show the office won't aid illegal aliens.
>
> Sali, a conservative first-term congressman, sent Rice a letter Wednesday
> saying Idaho residents deserve guarantees that Mexican consular offices
> will not help illegal aliens obtain identification cards that can be used
> to receive government services or other benefits.
>
> "Our government has the moral and constitutional duty to take into
> consideration how foreign consulates affect our fellow citizens here in
> our own country," Sali wrote in the letter to Rice that was made available
> to news media.
>
> "While I appreciate the important role that the Mexican and other foreign
> consulates play in facilitating trade and assisting their citizens in
> distress just as our foreign consulates do, that is not the issue at stake
> here," he added.
>
> Sali asserted that the State Department has done little to assure
> residents that a consular office would not be used to aid illegal
> immigration.
>
> The State Department did not return phone messages from the Associated
> Press on Wednesday.
>
> In March, Sali received a letter from the State Department saying an
> application for a consular office in Boise is pending.
>
> Idaho is one of several states without a Mexican consulate, but a grass-
> roots effort to open one has been under way for several years. Supporters
> say they have collected about 10,000 signatures on a petition requesting a
> Mexican consular presence in the state.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "People who ridicule others while hiding behind anonymous monikers in chat-
> room forums are neither brave nor clever."
>
> - Latah County Sheriff Wayne Rausch (August 21,
> 2007)
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