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[lfalen]

Donavan
You are correct that in Nature people are not created equal. Where they should be equal is before the law. I would disagree that there is no such thing as right and wrong with out a belief in God. I know a lot of Athiest and Agnostics that practice the basic tenets of christianity better than most Christians. There are a lot of atrocities  committed by people who believe in god. I would rather have a superior officer who was an Athiest than a religious fanatic who wanted to bring down the rath of God on all those who disagreed wth his particular creed.
Roger
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From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:40:05 -0700
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com,  Tom Hansen thansen at moscow.com, Chasuk chasuk at gmail.com,  godshatter at yahoo.com,  vision2020 at moscow.com, donaledwards at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Of, By &

> Roger,
>    
>   You write,
>    
>   "Saying that an atheist does not believe that all people are created equal in the eyes of god is not to say that they don't believe that all people are equal."
>    
>   
>  Does nature create all people equal, Roger? Of course not. People are only equal in the eyes of God. They are not equal in any other way. There are great differences between people created in nature that make some people better suited than others for this world. 
>    
>   Likewise, if you do not believe that the inherent rights listed in the Constitution are created by God, then they were created only by men, flawed men, and thus, the Constitution of the United States is only a piece of paper. 
>    
>   There is no such thing as right or wrong, if there is no God. Because only men can decide what is right and wrong, and men can change their minds. Slavery is not wrong, unless men think it is wrong. Which means that slavery was right, until men thought it to be wrong. Then and only then would it be wrong. It could not always be right or wrong, because God does not exist to an Atheist. 
>    
>   I think it is important that leaders of men know what is right and wrong, and understand it is something fixed, something factual, not something that can move based on what they think is right and wrong at the moment. 
>    
>   An Atheist, does not view other people any more than being a more highly evolved form of monkeys, chimps, and orangutans. People do not have souls, they are simply just more intelligent creatures than the ones they keep in zoos. They believe we are fools for believing in a God and it is as stupid as believing in the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy. 
>    
>    
>   Best Regards,
>    
>   Donovan
> 
> lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>   Donovan
> Saying that an atheist does not believe that all people are created equal in the eyes of god is not to say that they don't believe that all people are equal.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:03:32 -0700
> To: Tom Hansen thansen at moscow.com, Chasuk chasuk at gmail.com, lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com, godshatter at yahoo.com, vision2020 at moscow.com, donaledwards at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Of, By &
> 
> > TH,
> > 
> > Are you asking me why I don't think someone who doesn't believe all people are created equal in the eyes of God is not fit to decide which men die and which men live in the battle field?
> > 
> > Or are you asking me why I don't think an Atheist doesn't believe that all men are created equal in the eyes of God?
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > Donovan
> > 
> > Tom Hansen wrote:
> > Au contraire, Chas.
> > 
> > I simply do not believe that a person's religious preference (or lack 
> > thereof) should be applied as a measuring stick of that person's ability 
> > to lead.
> > 
> > Question for you, D. Arnold: How do you confuse an atheist with a person 
> > that does not support the US Constitution or equality? I have known 
> > several admitted atheists in the Army ranking from private first class (E-
> > 3) to master sergeant (E-8) to lieutenant colonel (O-5).
> > 
> > Although I may not have agreed with some of the orders issued to me by 
> > atheist supervisors (these terms are not mutually exclusive), my 
> > disagreement was not on the basis of their lack or religious conviction.
> > 
> > I anxiously await your response to my question.
> > 
> > Tom "Protestant - or so it says on my dog tags" Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> > 
> > 
> > > Tom,
> > > 
> > > I am very concerned. Apparently, you believe that a
> > > Constitution-scoffer and inequality proponent would be a suitable
> > > leader of our troops. I know this because our ever-discerning Donovan
> > > Arnold somehow divined it from this thread. It has to be true!
> > > 
> > > Dononvan wrote:
> > > 
> > > > So you think someone that doesn't believe in the Constitution or that 
> > all
> > > > men are created equal should have command over the life and death of 
> > our
> > > > troops?
> > > 
> > > Explain yourself, Tom!!!
> > > 
> > > Woefully,
> > > 
> > > Chas
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > "People who ridicule others while hiding behind anonymous monikers in chat-
> > room forums are neither brave nor clever." 
> > 
> > - Latah County Sheriff Wayne Rausch (August 21,
> > 2007)
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