[Vision2020] Gitmo

[Donovan Arnold]

Andreas,
 
You wrote:
 
"The government does not have "rights." The government has powers. The
people have rights."
 
Andreas, the "Government" is the people. So I rewrote it so you understand as I meant it.
 
If someone is reasonably believed to be a danger to society, the
PEOPLE have every right to detain that person to secure the life and liberty of everyone else . . .
 
You also argued:
 
"Criminal acts like 9/11, no matter how serious, do not rise to the level of an invasion or armed insurrection."
 
Attacks on our financial institutions, our Capitol, our Military Command Center, our President, and several other key strategic institutions inside the US, along with the innocent slaughter of thousands of US citizens, at a cost of billions of dollars, orchestrated at a time when the US was in a recession, is in your thinking, NOT AN ATTACK?
 
Tell me, if China, Russia, Germany, India, Iraq, Iran, or any other known nation made such an effort, do you not think we would not have declared war on them?
 
I think if you knew US History, you would know NONE of our previous political leaders would have stood for this, and granted the Germans and Japanese sympathies and constitutional rights in place of our nation's security and the rights of the people that live within her boarders. 
 
Our nation surely would have lost WWI and WWII if we gave each captured and detained enemy combatant a lawyer and rights to the US civilian courts. President Roosevelt, a social liberal, personally saw to it that all unlawful combatants were executed; as they should be. 
 
Actions like this, by lawyers, only encourages our soldiers who put themselves at risk everyday defending this country to just shoot the terrorists then have to risk their lives and the lives of their colleagues again recapturing them because some lawyer let him go free on some stupid technicality as so many criminals do.  
 
Best Regards,
 
Donovan
 




--- On Wed, 6/18/08, Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gitmo
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com, "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 9:34 AM

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Donovan Arnold
<donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Andreas,
>
>
>
> Sorry, the rights of the entire planet or nation to survive, do supersede
> the rights of one individual person. This is why the Constitution can
> be suspended when the nation is at war.

Donovan --

The Constitution cannot be suspended while the nation is at war. The
writ of habeas corpus, on the other hand, may be suspended during
invasion or insurrection. Criminal acts like 9/11, no matter how
serious, do not rise to the level of an invasion or armed
insurrection.

> If someone is reasonably believed to be a danger to society, the
government
> has every right to detain that person to secure the life and liberty of
> everyone else around them or those they have demonstrated they wish to
harm.

The government does not have "rights." The government has powers. The
people have rights.

-- ACS


      
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