[Vision2020] Black History Month

[Andreas Schou]

Gary --

What a steaming crock.

The Iroquois confederacy had a well-developed system of property,
territory, and sovreignity though no individual land
ownership--ownership is only necessary for resources that are scarce
or which can actually be confined (who owns the air?), and
hunter-gatherers can't nail down drifting seeds or migrating game.
Similar conditions--sovereignty without individual
land-ownership--existed on the west coast from southern Alaska to
southern Oregon.

The moundbuilders of the Southeast and the pueblo-builders of the
Southwest had a well-develped sense of property, including individual
(well, family) land-ownership. This was necessary because they were
farmers. Just like Europeans.

Even given the premise that private, individual ownership is the
single type of claim one can have to land, that would give Europeans a
"legitimate" claim to: the Carolinas, some of Virginia, some of New
York, most of the Great Plains, the northern Rockies and some of the
inland Northwest.

-- ACS


On Jan 18, 2008 8:08 PM, g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> Not to put too sharp a point on things but, for something to have been
> illegal there would have had to have been a law against it in the first
> place. There was not. When Europeans arrived and commenced to settling this
> country the indigs had no written language or concept of property much less
> of sovereign country. To have asked for a by your leave would have been
> similar to asking herring for permission to swim in their ocean. To make the
> claim that we came here illegally is insupportable.
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> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> To: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>; "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>;
> "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>; "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>;
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History Month
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> When you get right down to it, you could say that this
> nation was founded on the backs of illegal immigrants.
>  Unless the colonists applied for VISAs from the
> natives, they were there illegally.  To harp about the
> distinction now seems hypocritical.
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> I'm not a big fan of having these PC "Months", mainly
> because of the reasons stated.  Why single out one
> group?  It becomes a contest to see which one has the
> most political clout at any one time.  I like the idea
> of an "American History Month", one devoted to all
> aspects of American History.
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> Paul
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> --- lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
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> > Good point Matt
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> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Matt Decker mattd2107 at hotmail.com
> > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:12:12 -0800
> > To: J Ford privatejf32 at hotmail.com,  Tom Hansen
> > thansen at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History Month
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> > > I agree. We should acknowledge all who have made
> > this a great country. We not only should have a
> > Native American history month, but also Irish
> > > American, Chinese American, Italian American,
> > Japanese American,  Arab American, German American,
> > Mexican American, Italian American, and months for
> > all the races that have brought this nation to what
> > it is.
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> > > Or we could role it all into one big fun month. We
> > could call it American history month. One that
> > strives to acknowledge all races and what they have
> > done to make the United States the best place to
> > live. This land was built on legal immigrants, all
> > of which should be recognized.
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> > > Matt
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> > > From: privatejf32 at hotmail.com
> > > To: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:03:26 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black History Month
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> > > Thank you!  Just what I was trying to say - Black
> > History Month gets the publicity and the other
> > "minorities" just get a one-time notice and then
> > forgotten.  Since this is a MAJOR part of our
> > population as well as a main group of our
> > developments, this is just sad!
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> > > J  :]
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> > > From: thansen at moscow.com
> > > To: gussie443 at hotmail.com;
> > privatejf32 at hotmail.com; chasuk at gmail.com;
> > vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Black History Month
> > > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:37:42 -0800
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> > > >From the Defense Department website at:
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> http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/nativeamerican01/proclamation.html
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> > > â?oNOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President
> > > of the United States of America,
> > > by virtue of the authority vested in me by the
> > Constitution and laws of the United States,
> > > do hereby proclaim November 2001 as National
> > American Indian Heritage Month. I
> > > call upon the people of the United
> > >   States to observe this month with
> > > appropriate programs and activities.â?
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> > > Although the verbiage of this proclamation
> > > does establish a National American Indian Heritage
> > Month, it appears to only do
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> > > Seeya round town, Moscow.
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> > > Tom Hansen
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> > > Moscow, Idaho
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> > > "If not us, who?
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> > > If not now, when?"
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> > > - Unknown
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> > > From:
> > > vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of
> > Ellen
> > >  Roskovich
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> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008
> > > 11:23 AM
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> > > To: J Ford; Chasuk;
> > > vision2020 at moscow.com
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> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Black
> > > History Month
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> > > Chas
> > > says we've had Native American Indian Heritage
> > Month EVERY year since
> > > 1994.  However, this is the first I've heard of
> > it.  Of course that
> > > doesn't mean it hasn't happened every November. .
> > . it just means it isn't very
> > > high on people's priorities and that's too bad.
> > You'd think that in the
> > > past 17 years it would get a little publicity in
> > the media.  Hopefully
> > > next November someone will remember.
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> > > Ellen A.
> > > Roskovich
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> > > From: privatejf32 at hotmail.com
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> > > To: chasuk at gmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
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