[Vision2020] Will Moscow support Hawkins sprawl-mall?

[Andreas Schou]

Matt --

There is a basic economic difference between recapturing dollars spent
in Moscow and drawing in dollars from elsewhere. One recycles value.
The other creates value.

Retail does the former. Local retail actually does the former
perfectly, whereas major chains ships the majority to their
stockholders and corporate headquarters. Everything else does the
latter.

I am not particularly well-disposed toward replacing perfect recyclers
of value with imperfect recyclers of value, even though the latter
might be more efficient for the economy as a whole.

-- ACS

On Jan 12, 2008 9:46 PM, Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  All,
>
> In regards to Hawkins. How many with a raise of hands have complained about
> how Moscow has so few choices in regards to restaurants. Wouldn't it be nice
> if this mall brought an Olive Garden? Maybe a Red Lobster? Perhaps a new
> Indian food establishment.
>
> What if a brought a  higher end clothes business, or a 20 plex movie
> facility. In other words businesses that we could actually shop locally
> instead of heading to Lewiston or Spocompton.
>
> A local WSU professor did a study in which he states that 80 million dollars
> is being spent out of town annually. Now I believe you would have to be
> stubborn to think that Moscow will never grow. Or that the corridor is not a
> goldmine for businesses. With Idaho now the fastest growing state, we need
> to get a grasp of how we can build, and do it smartly. Granted this does not
> concern Hawkins, being that it's proposed to be in Washington, regardless,
> we must take notes.
>
> We all know that have a Schweitzer or a full Alturas park is optimal, our
> current council included. There are ways to attract these great businesses.
> Having a town with some choices is one of them. We all love this town, but a
> few more options on shopping choices would get very few complaints. Students
> included.
>
> Moscow has and will always have a retail/ construction backbone to it.
> Many are dependent upon this. Without this, many will suffer. Not everyone
> has the benefits of a union or a university. Point being is that many within
> Moscow feel our current council understands that 3% growth, along with some
> other businesses added, is not the end of our great town.
>
> So with sprawl being an issue. I have some questions for all
>
> 1. How can we have choices without getting away from the downtown area?
>
> 2. Should the corridor ever be developed?
>
> 3. How can we attract high end tech businesses?
>
> 4. How can we save on water?
>
> 5. How can we save money within our current city administration and faculty?
>
>
> Take care cow
> Matt
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: london at moscow.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:43:16 -0800
> Subject: [Vision2020] Will Moscow support Hawkins sprawl-mall?
>
>
>
>  Won't it be grand?  The Moscow-Pullman Highway turned into one long strip
> mall.....
>  And you can read in today's Lewiston Tribune (below) that the first big
> step in that direction will likely soon be taken.  The new Moscow City
> Council is under pressure to sell use of Moscow utilities (like sewage and
> water, and possibly police/fire protection) to the planned Hawkins shopping
> center located in Washington state on the Moscow-Pullman Highway.  The new
> council members (pragmatic politicians that they are) seem to be willing to
> ignore the real issues and fall for a cheap payoff.
>  If the Moscow council ships utilities across the state line to enable this
> strip mall, Moscow will face a series of problems, including:
>  --depletion of the aquifer that supplies this town with most of its water
>  --massive sprawl that will further uglify the Palouse and ravage existing
> downtown vitality
>  --bankruptcy of Moscow businesses unable to compete with this new shopping
> mall
>  --continuing future upgrades of Moscow infrastructure to cover the demands
> made by this extension of services, upgrades that will be paid for by Moscow
> taxpayers
>  Is this what Moscow residents really want?
>  BL
>
>  -----------------------------------------
>  LEWISTON TRIBUNE
>  Council shift changes outlook for proposed Hawkins development
>
>
> By David Johnson
>
> Saturday, January 12, 2008
> MOSCOW - Politics here may have shifted enough after the November election
> to trigger talks about the city providing water and sewer services across
> the state line for the proposed Hawkins Co. shopping center.
>  A majority of Moscow city councilors, Whitman County commissioners and a
> spokesman for Hawkins told the Lewiston Tribune there's renewed potential
> for cooperation.
>  This despite Moscow's continued legal challenge of Hawkins' attempts to
> secure water rights to drill its own wells for the 700,000-square-foot
> shopping mall.
>  The situation comes as the first of two public comment meetings has been
> scheduled in Colfax on Monday. The county commissioners will take comments,
> beginning at 1:30 p.m., regarding Hawkins' recent request for Whitman County
> to float revenue bonds of more than $10 million to help fund infrastructure
> (including water and sewer) for the development.
>  A Whitman County pro-business citizens group, meanwhile, Friday endorsed
> the proposed bond issue and called on Moscow officials to drop their water
> rights appeal against Hawkins.
>  "It's clear Moscow's appeals are not about water but about keeping out
> particular kinds of businesses," April Coggins, spokeswoman for Businesses
> and Residents for Economic Opportunity wrote in a news release. "That
> attitude was rejected by Moscow voters in November and it is our hope that
> the new Moscow city council will see things differently and seek to
> cooperate with their neighbors."
>  Moscow's waterlines extend right up to the Hawkins property, and the sewage
> treatment plant is located nearby.
>  "Hawkins is always open to talking to the city of Moscow," said Jeff De
> Voe, project manager for the proposed shopping center. He declined further
> comment because of the pending legal appeal.
>  It remains unclear how much money Moscow might make (through fees) or
> Hawkins might save if the two entities can reach an agreement about water
> and sewer services. But City Attorney Randy Fife and Public Works Director
> Les McDonald confirmed that a hookup of services is both legal and
> technically possible.
>  Whitman County Commissioners Jerry Finch and Greg Partch, who continue to
> champion the Hawkins project as the beginning of retail development between
> here and Pullman, said it's time for Moscow to either join ranks or get out
> of the way.
>  "Moscow didn't say no, they said hell no," Finch said about the city's
> refusal to cooperate with development of the mall. "Before the election,
> it's pretty obvious the door had been slammed."
>  Three new Moscow councilors were elected in November and appear to have
> become part of a five-member, pro-business majority. The three, Walter
> Steed, Dan Carscallen and Wayne Krauss, along with council President Bill
> Lambert, all said they are willing to talk with Hawkins and Whitman County
> officials about water and sewer services. Councilor John Weber couldn't be
> reached for comment, but indicated in the past he favors cooperation.
>  Only Councilor Tom Lamar, who has gone on record opposing retail
> development in the corridor, balked at renewed talks. "I think the best way
> for Hawkins to tap into our sewer and water is to locate in Moscow," Lamar
> said.
>  Moscow Mayor Nancy Chaney, who's been accused of spearheading efforts to
> thwart the Hawkins project, said her intentions are rooted in environmental
> and groundwater concerns. That was confirmed by McDonald. "The mayor's
> driving concern," he said, "is the water resource that the whole region
> relies upon.
>  "Moscow has always been open to talking," said Chaney, adding that the
> table for such discussion has already been set through the water rights
> appeal. She said the city has proposed mediation as a means of settling the
> issue.
>  But Partch said talks, if they happen, shouldn't happen in a legal arena.
> Withdrawal of the appeal, he said, would be the best way for Moscow to show
> good faith. "That would be a huge gesture on their part," he said, "and we
> would certainly like to work with them."
>  The water rights appeal hearings are scheduled to begin in March.
>  "You can't build without water," Finch said, adding that many people think
> Chaney is simply using the water issue as the only legal lever available to
> stop retail development in the corridor. "She's the one who seems to be dead
> set against it."
>  A shopping center, said Finch and Partch, is not necessarily a big water
> consumer. But it would surely be a big revenue producer for the county.
>  According to county records, the undeveloped Hawkins acreage, which abuts
> the Moscow city limits and the Washington-Idaho state line, currently
> generates about $1,400 in annual tax revenue. If the mall is developed to
> full capacity, it could produce nearly $1.8 million in annual property and
> sales taxes for the county, De Voe told the commissioners when making his
> pitch for the $10 million in infrastructure bonds.
>  While Moscow couldn't directly tap into those tax dollars, councilors here
> said the city might be able to negotiate a fee for water and sewer services
> that translates into a profit.
>  "If it's going to happen and we can sell them something," Lambert said,
> "why not?"
>  "I'm very anxious to get together with entities across the border," said
> Krauss.
>  "I would be interested in talking about the possibility of extending
> services to Hawkins," Steed said.
>  "I think that I would," Carscallen said about talking. Whether Hawkins
> connects to Moscow or drills its own wells, he said, doesn't seem to make a
> lot of difference. "They're going to get it out of the same tub we're
> getting ours."
>  Researchers have said the underground aquifers on the Palouse have been
> steadily dropping. But, lacking data about just how much water is available,
> the same scientists have said a water management challenge is at hand, not a
> crisis.
>  Finch suggested its up to Moscow officials, since they've filed the appeal
> against Hawkins, to propose new talks. "If they send us a letter, I would
> find it more receptive," he said.
>  But Lambert said the catalyst for talks might have to come from elsewhere.
> "I don't see why it would hurt for these people to approach us. Somebody has
> to generate it, but it wouldn't be something generated by the council, per
> se."
>  Moscow City Supervisor Gary Riedner said the city might reach out. "I will
> do what we can to facilitate it at the mayor's direction."
>  "I know lots of people are talking about talking," Fife said.
>  De Voe, meanwhile, told Whitman County officials that his company wants to
> begin construction this summer. As proposed, the shopping complex would be
> anchored by a Lowe's home improvement center.
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