[Vision2020] Donovan, Canadians ARE Americans!

Sun Dec 21 15:36:22 PST 2008

Ellen,

No, Ellen. What it means is that the US came to aid Canada and the UK in its fight against Germany, twice. I didn't say Canada didn't send troops. They did, more than two years before the US. 

It sounds like you are just overly defensive, Ellen. 

Are you going to respond to the attacks against the US made by your Canadian friend too, the country where you live, that feeds and protects you, or just ones you think are made against Canada?

Best Regards,

Donovan

--- On Sun, 12/21/08, Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Donovan, Canadians ARE Americans!
> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, vision2020 at moscow.com, nielsen at uidaho.edu
> Cc: tiedye at turbonet.com
> Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 3:11 PM
> Yes, Donovan, that is EXACTLY what you implied when you told
> Ralph that he should thank the U.S. for giving him freedom
> from Germany TWICE!!
>  
>  
> Ellen
> > Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:57:09 -0800> From:
> donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [Vision2020]
> Donovan, Canadians ARE Americans!> To:
> vision2020 at moscow.com; nielsen at uidaho.edu;
> gussie443 at hotmail.com> CC: tiedye at turbonet.com> >
> Yes, Ellen, they did fight, very heroically too! Did I say
> otherwise?> > 1.1 million Canadians served in the War
> staring in 1939. About 45,000 made the ultimate sacrifice.
> > > Best Regards,> > Donovan> > > >
> > --- On Sun, 12/21/08, Ellen Roskovich
> <gussie443 at hotmail.com> wrote:> > > From:
> Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com>> >
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Donovan, Canadians ARE
> Americans!> > To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com,
> vision2020 at moscow.com, nielsen at uidaho.edu> > Cc:
> tiedye at turbonet.com> > Date: Sunday, December 21,
> 2008, 2:35 PM> > Donovan! Shame on you. The Canadians
> have always been our> > allies.....they fought in
> those wars and DIED.....U.S> > soldiers and Canadian
> side by side.> > > > I think I might have more
> to say......but after I count to> > 100....counting to
> 10 sure as hell isn't going to do it.> > > >
> > > Ellen A. Roskovich> > > > > >
> > Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:05:24 -0800> From:>
> > donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> To:
> Vision2020 at moscow.com;> > nielsen at uidaho.edu> CC:
> tiedye at turbonet.com> Subject:> > Re: [Vision2020]
> Donovan, Canadians ARE Americans!> >> >
> Ralph,> > If you hate the US so much, and Canada is
> so> > perfect, why don't you leave us go
> there?> > When> > I was a kid, I use to work
> hard doing chores to save money> > for summer fun. I
> would buy stuff with my hard earned money,> > and
> because I was a kid, the clerks would slip me Canadian>
> > coins with my change only to later find out I
> couldn't> > buy anything with it. Your government
> stole money from an> > eight year old kid, by printing
> worthless money. That was my> > thinking as a
> child.> > I grew out of my childish> > thinking
> and have grown to appreciate the things that Canada> >
> has to offer the world, while realizing no people or
> country> > is entirely good. > > You obviously
> haven't grown> > past that childish stage. You
> should think about that while> > you enjoy everything
> the USA brought you;> > Light> > Bulb>
> Electricity> Computers> Airplanes>> >
> Cars> The Internet> Microwave> Television>>
> > Freedom from Germany, Twice.> > Best Regards,>
> >> > Donovan> > > > > > --- On
> Sun, 12/21/08,> > Ralph Nielsen
> <nielsen at uidaho.edu> wrote:> >> > >
> From: Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu>> >>
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Donovan, Canadians ARE
> Americans!>> > > To: "vision 2020">
> > <Vision2020 at moscow.com>> > Cc:
> "Donovan> > Arnold"
> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>,> >
> "Dave" <tiedye at turbonet.com>> >
> Date:> > Sunday, December 21, 2008, 1:24 PM> >
> When I was in> > Gr. 5 in the small one-room school up
> the road> > in> > Edgewater BC a few years ago
> we had to learn the names,>> > > capitals and
> principal cities, and principal products> > or>
> > industries of all 48 states to the south of> >
> us.> > > > Later, when I worked in the
> tourist> > business in Radium Hot> > Springs, I
> found to my> > amazement and disgust that many>
> > Americans had no> > idea how many provinces there
> are in> > Canada, or> > even what province they
> were in. Some thought we> >> > used English
> pounds, shillings and pence, some thought> > we>
> > all spoke French. Some refused to take Canadian>
> > $2 bills,> > which were very popular in Canada.
> To> > them we would explain> > that Canadian $2
> bills were> > lucky. In fact, twice as lucky> >
> as $1 bills.>> > > > > Part of the
> trouble, of course, is that the> > USA is not a>
> > distinctive name. Some had suggested> >
> "Columbia,"> > which was probably how>
> > British Columbia got its name. So> > saying>
> > "America" for the USA is not
> intentionally>> > > belittling any other country
> in the American> > hemisphere. We> > simply
> don't have a choice, do> > we?> > > >
> Ralph> > > > > >> > This goes along
> with issue I had about the High School:> > The>
> > U.S. History> > textbook is wrongfully> >
> titled "American History",> > but I
> checked,> > it has> > nothing in it about most
> of America, it only> > focuses on one> > set of
> fifty> > states, one of> > which isn't even
> IN America.> > > > I wonder> > if Donovan
> is a product of MHS, where the State> >> >
> mandated> > "Social Studies" curriculum>
> > consists of: U.S.> > History I, U.S. History>
> >> > II, and U.S. Government. Does anyone else
> notice what is>> > > missing in> > this
> picture? Like, maybe, the rest> > of the world?>
> > > > Perhaps this is why Donovan> > and many
> others believe that> > the United> >> >
> States owns the world.> > > > It comes from>
> > confusing patriotism with nationalism.> > >
> >> > Personally I don't trust any
> "ism".> >> > > > Dave> >
> > > > > Ellen Roskovich> > wrote:> >
> > *Well, Donovan, you have gone and done> >
> it.....forced> > me to hop up on> > > my>
> > soapbox and give you what for in the name of all my>
> >> > Canadian> > > friends. Trust
> me.....they get very> > annoyed with> > their
> neighbors to> > > the> > south when we call
> them Canadians and refer to> >> > ourselves
> as> > > "Americans".....as if> > we
> owned the entire> > North American continent>>
> > > > instead of sharing it.*> > > **>
> >> > > *I rather like the notion that we have
> to> >> > share.....and that there's> >
> > another little> > bridge of land to the south
> with> >> > Mexico.....also> > >
> Americans....and if we follow> > that Central
> American> > bridge, we end up> >> > >
> in South America. Kind of like going from one> >>
> > neighborhood to another. *> > > **> >
> >> > *Stay warm, Moscow.*> > > **> >
> > *Ellen> > A. Roskovich*> > > **> >
> > **> >> >
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