[Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush

[Donovan Arnold]

Kai,

I don't disagree with anything you had to say there. I don't hate all lawyers, just most of them :). I just don't think you are comprehending my arguments either because I am doing a poor job explaining, or because you are assuming something somewhere that I am not saying. 

Best Regards,

Donovan


--- On Fri, 12/19/08, Kai Eiselein, Editor <editor at lataheagle.com> wrote:

> From: Kai Eiselein, Editor <editor at lataheagle.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush
> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>, "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 4:42 PM
> Donovan,
> 
> While there is no love lost between myself and lawyers, I
> find your diatribe disturbing.
> The accused are just that, accused, until proven guilty.
> They are entitled to a defense equal to the prosecution
> against them, if not, then the whole system of
> "innocent until proven guilty" is nothing but a
> sham.
> If someone is to be prosecuted, then the prosecutors had
> damn well have enough evidence to prove their case beyond a
> reasonable doubt. If they can't, they have no business
> bringing charges in the first place. It is one of the jobs
> of the defender to make sure the prosecution brings their
> "A-game".
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Donovan Arnold"
> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:51 PM
> To: "Sunil Ramalingam"
> <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>; "vision 2020"
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Tom Hansen"
> <thansen at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush
> 
> > Tom,
> > 
> > I am glad you are capable of segregating the
> difference between my belief to competent counsel and my
> disagreement with a person to represent criminals.
> > 
> > But your statement, "Then you go on to criticize
> the very people that defend them." , is incorrect. I am
> not criticizing "them" I am criticizing Sunil,
> only, in this instance, for wasting his talents on the
> garbage of society instead of those that are truly
> unfortunate and deserving of affordable counsel.
> > 
> > If Superman used his powers only to save vicious pit
> bulls about to get run over by semi trucks while ignoring
> the train wrecks and school buses tittering on the edge of a
> bridge, would you not be criticizing Superman for the
> choices he makes with the talents and abilities he has?
> > 
> > Likewise, I think Sunil has made a bad moral decision
> to work for the release of Sitler and others over that of
> more noble causes for our community.
> > 
> > That is what I believe. You are free to believe that
> Sunil's talents and abilities are best spent in the
> pursuit of championing the causes of criminals. I will not.
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > Donovan
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Tom Hansen
> <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at
> President Bush
> >> To: "Sunil Ramalingam"
> <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>, "vision 2020"
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 2:39 PM
> >> Arnold -
> >> 
> >> You state that child molesters, murders, etc. etc.
> are
> >> entitled to
> >> counsel, and I agree with you 100%.
> >> 
> >> Then you go on to criticize the very people that
> defend
> >> them.
> >> 
> >> People, regardless of the charges, innocent or
> guilty, are
> >> entitled to
> >> counsel (think GITMO).  In my opinion, one of the
> hardest
> >> jobs in a free
> >> society to undertake is defense of the unpopular.
> >> 
> >> The most heinous, most despised, most immoral
> person in the
> >> United States
> >> is entitled to counsel, Arnold, even you.
> >> 
> >> Tom Hansen
> >> Moscow, Idaho
> >> 
> >> >
> >> > Donovan,
> >> >
> >> > Your every post confirms your idiocy.  Stop
> while some
> >> may yet have
> >> doubts.
> >> >
> >> > Sunil
> >> >
> >> > > Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:15:16 -0800
> >> > > From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> >> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown
> at
> >> President Bush
> >> > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com;
> >> sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> >> > >
> >> > > Sunil,
> >> > >
> >> > > It is hard to argue with someone that
> often says
> >> things that even he
> >> migh> t not believe in, nor one that will not
> answer
> >> direct questions such
> >> as
> >> w> hy he chooses to defend causes that assist
> criminals
> >> and terrorists
> >> instead>  of the less fortunate.
> >> > >
> >> > > Yes, Sunil, you do work for lots of poor
> people.
> >> But you don't
> >> champi> on poverty causes. Which was my point,
> and I am
> >> sure you knew
> >> that.
> >> > >
> >> > > Once again, you mince words and meanings
> to
> >> justify your actions and
> >> ch> ampioned causes that could harm when
> successful, or
> >> would do harm if
> >> you
> >> > were successful.
> >> > >
> >> > > You asked for proof, OK, here is a few
> names you
> >> choose to
> >> defend;>
> >> > >
> >> > > Steven James Sitler
> >> > > Timothy Andrew Kellis
> >> > > Brandon Elliott
> >> > > James C. Leonard
> >> > > Mark Lankford
> >> > >
> >> > > I have a few other causes you could have
> taken up
> >> in their place;
> >> > >
> >> > > SSI for those with a disability without
> means of
> >> getting a lawyer
> >> > > Wider Sidewalks so people in wheelchairs
> can use
> >> them
> >> > > Affordable housing
> >> > > Snow plowed sidewalks
> >> > > A electronic crosswalk for 3rd Street
> >> > >
> >> > > I could list more names, and more
> causes, and you
> >> will make excuses
> >> a> s to why you choose the route you do.
> >> > >
> >> > > It is unfortunate you are no longer a
> >> smoke-jumper. That was an
> >> incredibl> y noble job you once help and few of
> us could
> >> ever live up to.
> >> I only wish
> >> > you would do something just as noble again,
> with your
> >> intellect and
> >> abili> ties. Your talents have been going to
> the
> >> garbage, and I almost mean
> >> that>  literally.
> >> > >
> >> > > Best Regards,
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> Donovan
> >> 
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