[Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush

[Paul Rumelhart]

Oh, yes.  The position that we're over there to save the Iraqis from 
themselves.  I guess that's all we're left with, since the two main 
reasons that we were given early on - that Iraq had something to do with 
9/11 and Al-Qaeda and that they had weapons of mass destruction they 
were poised to unleash upon an unsuspecting world - both turned out to 
be false.

Well, Saddam's dead.  Time to come home.

Paul

g. crabtree wrote:
> The most amusing aspect of the whole shoes of outrage incident is that 
> the opinionated lil' feller felt comfortable enough to act out. Had 
> our brave voice of the people attempted a similar stunt pre GW's 
> little modification to the countries ruling hierarchy, he would 
> most likely be being sponged out of the discharge chute of an 
> industrial chipper shredder, or dipped in a vat of acid, or repeatedly 
> tossed off the second story of the local police station, or had some 
> of his favorite body parts removed, or if he was extremely lucky, 
> simply shot. Slightly less lucky and his family would join him in his 
> fate. Boy, did we ever mess things up over there!
>  
> g
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Sunil Ramalingam <mailto:sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>     *To:* vision 2020 <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2008 5:34 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush
>
>     Donovan,
>
>     I don't give a rat's ass about this guy's citizenship; now that's
>     a red herring.  I can see that he wasn't attacked by a foreigner,
>     since it looks like the guy was an Iraqi in his own country.
>
>     I am perturbed that he was able to get the second shoe off, and I
>     don't recommend people throw shoes at presidents, or most other
>     people.  I also don't think they should be killed for doing it.
>
>     What I am least concerned about, and what I find remarkable, is
>     the notion that our sovereignty was threatened.  When we start
>     showing respect for the sovereignty of other states, I may come to
>     see our own sovereignty has a delicate flower in need of
>     protection.  You can keep repeating your concern, and I'll still
>     find it either meaningless or ludicrous. Important issue my foot. 
>     That guy wasn't making a statement about sovereignty, he was
>     illustrating his view of Bush.
>
>     Worrying that our sovereignty was somehow threatened strikes me
>     like worrying about Rush Limbaugh's ego should he hear a criticism
>     of his views.
>
>     As far as tempting us, apparently they did that by having oil
>     under their ground. 
>
>     Sunil
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:01:52 -0800
>     From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>     To: vision2020 at moscow.com; tiedye at turbonet.com
>     Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush
>
>     Dave and Sunil,
>      
>     What is clear is that you are not bothered by an attempt to
>     assault the President of the United States by someone that is not
>     a US Citizen.
>      
>     It doesn't matter if the US President is assaulted by a foreigner
>     on his soil or ours. It is still an attack on US *Sovereignty*.
>     That is the point. If you missed that, I will repeat it; It
>     doesn't matter if the US President is assaulted by a foreigner on
>     his soil or ours. Is is still an attack on US *Sovereignty*.
>      
>     I think focusing on the fact that the US base was in Iraq, is a
>     big smelly red herring intentionally thrown into to the argument
>     to avert away from the important issue of US security and
>     sovereignty, which is what is being challenged.
>      
>     And yes, Sunil, Middle Eastern nations do need to be careful
>     about how they behave because the US has no qualms about blowing
>     people up or invading nations. It is idiotic for a people to tempt
>     and taunt those with the biggest weapons that are also willing to
>     use them.  
>      
>     Best Regards,
>      
>     Donovan
>
>     --- On *Tue, 12/16/08, Dave /<tiedye at turbonet.com>/* wrote:
>
>         From: Dave <tiedye at turbonet.com>
>         Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush
>         To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>         Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 8:14 AM
>
>         Donovan Arnold wrote:
>         > I meant, Sunil, that the guy who attacked the US President was not a US
>         Citizen. I guess you can play semantics if you want, but I think my meaning was
>         clear. 
>         >
>         >   
>         Quite clear: you think that the USA owns the world.
>
>         Dave
>
>
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