[Vision2020] being fair and even

[lfalen]

These are minor changes involving the free market. Obama wants a government reorganization. There is a considerable difference. I think he would try to nationalize Oil and probably other utilities if he thought he could get away with it.
There is at least one Socialist in the Senate, that goes by that title. There are quite a few other that call themselves democrats. I doubt that any are Communists.
Roger

-----Original message-----
From: "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:51:23 -0700
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] being fair and even

> It's no secret the US energy economy will be restructured, eventually,
> whether we want to or not.  The days of oil as a primary transportation fuel
> are limited.  If we got the US off foreign oil, this would be a major
> restructuring.  The problematic relationship with Saudi Arabia would be
> dramatically altered, perhaps in the best interests of the US and the Middle
> East.  And I mean involving the close to a trillion dollars the Saudis have
> invested in the US economy (gee, I wonder if this influences US foreign
> policy?).
> 
> It can happen greatly via the private sector (though no doubt some corporate
> interests will resist), so I don't know why Roger makes this comment by
> Obama (if this is what he indeed said, and I'd like to read the full
> context, ) out to imply only Socialism.
> 
> T. Boone Pickens, Texas oil man, long time Republican, Bush supporter and
> Swift Boating of John Kerry financier, has a plan to replace 20% of US
> electricity generation with wind power, then use natural gas, now used
> greatly to generate electricity (Avista), to power transportation, within
> ten years. This is a rapid major restructuring.  Pickens recognizes that,
> though the private sector can accomplish much, government regulation, etc.
> has an important role to play... He is looking to the next administration
> (he is deliberately staying non-partisan in the 2008 presidential race) to
> push his ideas.  An Obama or McCain administration will push to restructure
> the US energy economy, and government regulation, changes in tax policy
> etc. will be involved:
> 
> http://www.pickensplan.com/
> 
> If Obama was a hard core Socialist, he would advocate total government
> takeover of major sectors of the economy: the oil and auto industry,
> pharmaceuticals, telecommunications and media, computers, software,
> utilities and so forth... There are no Socialists in the US Senate.
> 
> Ted Moffett
> 
> 
> On 8/20/08, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >
> > What else can he mean by completely restructuring the economy? Think about
> > it.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> > Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:44:06 -0700
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] being fair and even
> >
> > >
> > > Roger,
> > >
> > > Seems to me you're making an enormous and unfounded leap to say that
> > Obama is talking about 'full blown socialism if not communism.'  Without
> > foundation for that claim it's pretty ludicrous.
> > >
> > > Sunil
> > >
> > > > Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:28:22 -0700
> > > > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> > > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > Subject: [Vision2020] being fair and even
> > > >
> > > > Sue doesn't think I'e been fair and even in the ridicule or poking fun
> > at department. I think that Saundra's George Bush cartoon was a fair
> > response to my kittens joke. I will give her another one. The radio talk
> > show hosts have been belittling Obama for his " that is a higher pay grade
> > than me" answer at the Saddleback Forum. I don't see a problem with it. He
> > could have been referring to God. Who knows? In any case why waste time on
> > it. There are more important thing to be worried about. For instance he said
> > "It will be necessary to restructure the entire american economy. That
> > translates to full blown socialism if not communism to me. That scares the
> > hell out of me.
> > > >
> > > > Roger
> > > >
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