[Vision2020] Barack Obama

[Tom Hansen]

You are very, very right, Sunil.
 
I have absolutely no trust in Hillary Clinton.  
 
These differences between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama should be publicly discussed and evaluated prior to the Democratic National Convention in August.  These are the key issues that separate Clinton from Obama, NOT Obama's exaggerated relationship with William "Bill" Ayers or Pastor Wright.
 
Is Hillary Clinton going to respond as she has promised us, by demanding that our troops be returned home.  Or will she maintain the deadly status quo, when the proverbial phone rings at 3 AM, by filling more body bags over the next four years?
 
Will she seek to expand the job market here at home, potentially providing hope for the future of millions of American families?  Or will she seek to expand NAFTA to include Columbia, resulting in more vacant American factories and more names on welfare rolls?
These are the issues!  These are the questions that must be asked and answered, promises made and guaranteed to the American people BEFORE August.
 
Day by day by day more and more super delegates are abandoning the Clinton ship and committing themselves to the Obama campaign.  I am afraid that if Clinton goes into the convention trailing Obama in the popular vote and delegate count, she will do her damndest to "convert" some of the delegates.  Thus causing a MAJOR rift within the Democratic Party.
 
Even Bill Clinton, a man that I had absolute faith and trust in at one time, stated that although the delegates make their decisions reflecting their constituency's desires, they (the delegates) are not totally committed to do just that.  In other words, TO HELL WITH "WE, THE PEOPLE".  Go shmooze some delegates until they change their vote and until enough of them have been "converted" giving Hillary the delegate majority.  Then demand that Hillary receive the nomination based upon delegate count.
 
I am really having a PROBLEM with this.  But, if Hillary Clinton Bull Sh*ts here way into the nomination, I will vote for her in November.  It goes against virtually everything I consider fair and ethical, but (as I have stated earlier) the alternative, President McCain, truly scares me.
 
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho


From: sunilramalingam at hotmail.comTo: vision2020 at moscow.comDate: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:46:17 -0700Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Barack Obama


When it comes to foreign policy I don't see a whole lot of difference between McCain and Clinton.  I think she'll always list right on this.  While she keeps saying she didn't think Bush would use the authority she helped give him to start the war (hogwash!) she then goes and votes for Kyl-Lieberman.  What, she doesn't think he'll use that as authority to go bomb Iran?  She is willing to destroy Obama in order to either get the nomination this time or next time; if Obama loses (if he gets the nomination) due to some of the grenades she's lobbing at him now, she'll be back in 2012 saying 'It should have been me.'Sunil


From: idahotom at hotmail.comTo: tiedye at turbonet.com; vision2020 at moscow.comDate: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:22:06 -0700Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Barack Obama

Although I tend to agree with your sentiment, Dave, it is this attitude that will get McCain into the White House. As much as  I passionately support Barack Obama, unless a third-party candidate has a serious chance of winning the November election, even if Barack Obama does not receive the party nomination, I will be casting my vote for the Democratic Party candidate.   The alternative of "President McCain" scares me.   What Bush has irresponsibly and unaccountably gotten away with, under the auspices of ignorant stupidity, will simply be cast aside as "senior moments" under President McCain, and  - We can then run office pools in guessing when the casualties of the Iraq civil war will achieve the ten thousand, fifteen thousand, twenty thousand, and on and on and on, benchmarks,  - Our civil liberties vanquished,  - Our addiction to oil exploited by corporate America and foreign governments, - Our degenerative economy reducing our nation into a two-class society (the grotesquely rich and the painfully poor) as our government continues to outsource our jobs and our security. So, although I have lost virtually all my respect for Hillary Clinton, in the absence of Barack Obama, the alternative may cost us considerably more than respect.  It may very well cost our children their hope. Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho

> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:51:03 -0700> From: tiedye at turbonet.com> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Barack Obama> > I would vote for him too. If Hilary gets the nomination I will vote for > either Nader or the Green party candidate which will probably be Cynthia.> > "A vote for the lessor of two evils is still a vote for evil"> -Jerry Garcia> > Dave> > > Bill London wrote:> > I just finished Barack Obama's first book, "Dreams from My Father," > > which he wrote in 1995, before he was first elected to political > > office. The book is autobiographical, detailing both his remarkable > > racial/cultural heritage and his very personal journey to acceptance > > of his responsibilities as an African-American man.> > > > Obama's book is so much better than I expected. First, it is obvious > > that he wrote every word -- in 1995, he was too poor and too unknown > > to have a ghostwriter. Second, the book shines with a remarkable > > passion and integrity. He has an astounding intellect and charisma.> > > > I plan to vote for him every chance I get.> > > > BL> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> >> > =======================================================> > List services made available by First Step Internet, > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. > > http://www.fsr.net > > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> > =======================================================> > > -- > Windows, OSX, or Linux is the same choice as:> McDonalds, Burger King, or a (real) Co-Op.> > =======================================================> List services made available by First Step Internet, > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. > http://www.fsr.net > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> =======================================================
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