[Vision2020] condemning rape

Sun Apr 20 19:31:00 PDT 2008

I believe that Tom's point was that the FLDS would be punished, with which he would have "no problem."  

But one finds awe where one looks, I suppose.

Keely

> From: jampot at roadrunner.com
> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; thansen at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] condemning rape
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:57:19 -0700
> 
> "Now, if Warren Jeffs wishes to relocate his FLDS "church" and its
> followers to Yemen, upon completion of the multitude of trials and
> potential subsequent punishments, I would have no problem with it."
> 
> I am in awe. It seems to me you have just done a far better job of 
> reinforcing Dale's point than anything I, or anyone from the right minded 
> side of the slate could have.
> 
> 
> g
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 4:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] condemning rape
> 
> 
> >I agree with you 100%,keely.
> >
> > Further more, and something that His Comb-Overness failed to gather from
> > the article on his blog on what must obviously be a slow-news day (even
> > for Blight-Mind), the court (that convened and sentenced the offender to
> > pay $250 in compensation) took place in Yemen.  Even I, with my degree
> > from one of them gubmint skools, know that Yemen is outside the Nifty
> > Fifty (USA), and therefor not subject to our laws.
> >
> > The Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints (FLDS) compound is conveniently
> > located well within the jursdiction of of one of our state courts, and is
> > therefor bound to that jurisdiction's laws, much similar to
> > another "church" management here in Moscow (oops, bad example).  You
> > following me, dale?
> >
> > Now, if Warren Jeffs wishes to relocate his FLDS "church" and its
> > followers to Yemen, upon completion of the multitude of trials and
> > potential subsequent punishments, I would have no problem with it.
> >
> > One other thing, little guy . . .  The FLDS compund is NOT part of the
> > Mormon church (the FLDS under Warren Jeffs separated from the Mormon
> > churcha a long time ago), as you so knowlingly claim in your rag, another
> > fact that I, as a public-school educated Intolerista, ascertained from TV
> > news and local newspapers, just to reflect on a couple more sources you
> > might consider before posting any more of your unwanted opinion to that
> > flea-ridden rag you call a blog.
> >
> > Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Visionaires,
> >>
> >> The Everlasting Blogstalker, Dale Courtney, laments today on his
> > Right-Mind>  blog that Moscow's liberals are quick to jump on the
> > bandwagon of
> > disappro> val of the recent revelations that young girls in the FLDS
> > polygamist cult
> >> in West Texas are routinely forced into sexual relationships with older
> > men>  who believe that these polygamous "celestial marriages" are
> > essential to
> > t> he practice of their faith, while remaining silent about things like
> > young
> >> girls being forced to "marry" older men in some Muslim cultures.  Dale
> > beli> eves that the shameful tolerance his liberal foes exhibit toward the
> > behavi> or of some Muslims is hypocritical in light of their disgust over
> > offshoot-> Mormon group practices, and he, like a good "Christian"
> > libertarian man of
> >> chest, must make note of it.  It seems that we liberals just can't muster
> > a> ny disapproval of Islam, so busy are we, I suppose, hating groups that
> > call>  themselves Christian.
> >>
> >> Certainly Dale's worldview is energized by the thought that he and his
> > pals>  are witnesses to the persecution of the Church from their vantage
> > point
> > of>  those suffering under it.  It's a silly assertion, of course, as is
> > his
> > sm> ug denouncement of feminized, morally bankrupt liberals who pick and
> > choose>  their objects of outrage from a tortured position of ethical
> > spinelessness> ..  I am a liberal; I know of no one, liberal or
> > conservative, who isn't
> > dis> gusted by the reality of adult men who engage in sex with children.
> > I'm
> > no> t aware of anyone who thinks that religion excuses the horrors that 
> > men
> > vis> it upon their victims, whether that religion is a perversion of
> > Christianit> y or a perversion of Islam.  Because most of the people I
> > know are
> > rational> , decent people, they are angered by child rape and outraged
> > that it can
> > be> , and is, committed as a sort of religious expression.  Atheists and
> > the
> > re> ligious are united in believing that no God would be honored by
> > inflicting
> >> horror on the little ones he created.
> >>
> >> I don't know if Muhammed had a sexual relationship with a nine-year-old
> > gir> l, as Dale asserts, just as I don't know if Joseph Smith slept with
> > underag> e girls.  My not being Muslim or Mormon, or part of any group
> > that claims
> > t> o be the "true expression" of either, has nothing to do with the sexual
> > sin>  of the men each faith reveres as prophets.  I am much more concerned
> > about>  my own faith and the men who claim it, and who, as Christians,
> > perpetuate
> >> patriarchy, hierarchy, power, manipulation and sexism in their homes,
> > churc> hes, and relationships.   If, for example, there were a Christian
> > church
> > in>  town that had witnessed one or two specific instances of their men
> > preying>  on young children or teenage girls, I would expect that that
> > church would
> >> reflect on any connection between the rape committed by their young
> > student> s of patriarchy and power, sexism and sexuality, and the
> > practices and
> > teac> hing that the predators received from their teachers.  I would
> > expect that
> >> that church would publicly repent of any gender-based arrogance,
> > hierarchy,>  or wielding of power it had exhibited.  I would hope that its
> > leaders
> > woul> d examine a theology that has as its origin the reality of a post-
> > Fall
> > seiz> ing of ungodly power and descent into violence, rather than the
> > redemptive,>  radical justice and equality ushered in by the Savior they
> > claim to
> > worshi> p.  I would pray that such a church would see that its elevation
> > of male
> > po> wer and privilege, its defense of patriarchy, its practice of gender
> > hierar> chy and unilateral submission, and its defensive clinging to the
> > ways of
> > th> e world and not the fruit of the Spirit are sinful, reflecting the
> > depotism>  of evil and not the gentleness of Christlike love.  I would
> > expect that.
> >>
> >>
> >> I would be disappointed.
> >>
> >> And so I will lead the charge, if that is indeed  what Dale's asking for,
> > b> y announcing that this middle-aged, progressive, evangelical homemaker,
> > and>  everyone she knows, thinks men who sleep with girls are evil.
> > There.
> > Now>  that the totality of liberal condemnation of rape and pedophilia has
> > been
> >> thusly offered to this erstwhile elder, let's see if he and his other
> > patri> archal heads of household pause and examine if the perpetuation of
> > sexual
> > v> iolence on the weak in the name of religion has more to do with bad
> > theolog> y, teaching, and practice than with the perceived indifference of
> > Moscow's
> >> liberals.  It could be the start of an incredible spiritual renewal,
> > revolu> tionary in scope and profound in effect.  Or, Dale could just
> > write this
> > of> f as the emotional blather of someone who just doesn't know her place,
> > a
> > po> sition that is probably a lot easier to undertake while enjoying the
> > Sabbat> h with other puny patriarchs.
> >>
> >> I guess we'll see . . .
> >>
> >> Keely
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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