[Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC

Sat Sep 15 09:34:49 PDT 2007

Not all taxes are the same.  State and federal taxes do very little to
support City services; property taxes do.  Sales taxes in Idaho mostly
benefit the State, not the City.  Sales taxes in Washington mostly benefit
local cities and counties.   Retail and housing don't provide great economic
benefit to the community; good paying jobs do.  The best economic model is
that a community will encourage high paying jobs and housing and retail will
follow as the need arises.  Moscow has been backwards on this for a number
of years.  Now it seems very painful to some that the housing market is in
the dumps and there may not be a verifiable need for more retail.  There is
certainly a need for good paying jobs.   The City has been very
accommodating and encouraging in expanding Alturas Park, assisting expansion
of Gritman, providing new fiber optic loops throughout town, etc.  These
projects provide great economic payback to the community.  Can more be done?
Certainly.  I believe the focus has shifted from projects that benefit just
a few to projects that benefit the whole community.

B. J. Swanson

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Matt Decker
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 8:54 AM
To: Tom Hansen; 'g. crabtree'; 'Pat Kraut'; 'vision2020'
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC

Is there a law stating that churches can only build in certain areas of
Moscow? Also, is the Islamic community center located next to Ambassador
Auto, considered CBD? Does anybody know?

Tom, I am not understanding why you say that taxes are what "helps a
community grow" but yet most everything you post or seem to agree with, has
been against community growth. Even if CC grows and buys into business,
don't they have to pay state and federal taxes?

Matt

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From: thansen at moscow.com
To: jampot at roadrunner.com; pkraut at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:56:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC

Very, very good, g -

Now, let's move on to the next step, ok?

The key word in central business district is BUSINESS. And, yes, I am going
to "fall back" (as you say) on the "T" word (taxes).  

Businesses located in the central business district paying taxes.  That is
what helps a community grow.  NOT tax-exempt churches, schools, etc. etc.,
all managed by the same piss ant group of sock puppets with nothing better
to do than whine about ever-increasing property taxes that become the burden
of local hard-working, tax-paying, law-abiding proprietors.

As much as I would love to sit here and explain reality to you, there is an
election coming up and I have miles to go before I sleep.

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."

- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007) 

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From: g. crabtree [mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 7:26 AM
To: Tom Hansen; 'Pat Kraut'; 'vision2020'
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC

Question, th

Of all the property in the central business district, what percent is owned
by CC? One percent? Maybe two? 

Lets follow your query to its logical end. CC owns fifty to sixty percent of
the CBD. So what? Please don't fall back on the property tax issue since we
all know that church property, used for church purposes will be tax exempt
no matter where it is, downtown or elsewhere. If it's owned by the church or
its members and used for commercial purposes it will be taxed the same as
any other parcel. 

With this being the case, why would it matter if they were to own every
square inch of downtown Moscow? What exactly would be the down side? The
maddening rectal itch you might receive from such a turn of events really
doesn't count.

g

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From: Tom Hansen <mailto:thansen at moscow.com>  

To: 'Pat Kraut' <mailto:pkraut at moscow.com>  ; 'vision2020'
<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>  

Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 6:50 AM

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC

Question, PK -

Of ALL the churches of ALL the countries throughout the world, which ONE
owns (and is buying up) property in the central business district of Moscow,
Idaho?

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"I'll just speak for our church, in Christ Church.  If I found out that a
member of our church or a church officer was lying to non-believers in the
community, as a way to get by or protect themself or protect his reputation,
yes, he'd be disciplined."

- Doug Wilson (January 31, 2007)

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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Pat Kraut
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:19 PM
To: vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC

And, I would ask if you are aware of how much property is owned by groups or
individuals in this area that have nothing to do with CC? The catholic
church? The Mormons? The whoever?? This is persecution of one group against
whom you have a personal vendetta and has nothing to do with the community
as a whole...get over it! 07 11:45 AM

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