[Vision2020] real economic development in Moscow

Tom Ivie the_ivies3 at yahoo.com
Thu Oct 25 10:21:59 PDT 2007


I love that store! I think it is called beyond bath and pickles.  

On a side note, I have noticed more Lewiston cars in the Palouse Mall parking lot since Old Navy went in.  

Carl Westberg <carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com> wrote: I always go to Spokane for bath pillows and pickles.  At Bath Pillows and 
Pickles R Us.  Great store.  Carl Westberg Jr.


>From: Tom Ivie 
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] real economic development in Moscow
>Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:00:47 -0700 (PDT)
>
>What?  Pickles have sugar?!!
>
>Sue Hovey  wrote:     Donovan,
>
>  Certainly your grandfather Lee was right on the  mark with his statement 
>about Moscow and everyone knowing who one is and who one  is.....
>
>  And you are probably right on the mark about the  bath pillow, so I'm 
>taking your word for it, but I will respond to one of your  statements 
>because it is very important to me.
>
>  You mentioned having children with disabilities and  Moscow not offering 
>what they need.  Well as you probably know, I can speak  to that one in 
>spades.  One of the reasons we have never considered living  anywhere else 
>is because of our daughter, who grew up here knowing almost  everyone, was 
>and is cared for and protected by the citizens of this  city.
>
>  She was one of the first to go through the Moscow  Schools under the 
>provisions of the Idaho Law for special education, which  predated the 
>federal law by a few years.  It wasn't always easy for her or  the school 
>district as she moved from elementary school through the high  school,  but 
>I feel the special education program which now begins with  preschool and 
>continues through age 21 could legitimately be named for  her. One of the 
>reasons I am so angry with Gerry Weitz and his lackeys is  because we, too, 
>fought with the school district through those times, and  even threatened 
>to involve state and federal officials, but never, ever would we  have done 
>anything to harm the other students.  And the program that was a  result of 
>our (and Leslie's) struggle continues to benefit those who are  enrolled.
>
>  She continues to thrive here. She has been an employee at Rosauers for 
>about a decade--a  place where she feels valued.  When she messes up her 
>computer, the  fellows at VGH fix it for her, and laugh about the fact that 
>at least she  doesn't download porn.  She loves Vandal basketball and 
>attends the home  games with Judy and Tom Morris.  She gets good medical 
>care right here  in Moscow.  Her service providers who work through the 
>Department of  Health and Welfare and the University of Idaho know her as a 
>person and not a  case number.
>
>  Leslie is representative of a large group of  people with disabilities 
>who have chosen to live in Moscow because they like  living here and the 
>other residents welcome them.  And  that's despite the fact that in almost 
>any other state the funding  is better for people with special needs than 
>it is in  Idaho.
>
>  And Spokane isn't a big city.  Hummmmm.   I guess big is a relative term. 
>  It continues to be the second largest  city in Washington State, and in a 
>comparison with Moscow--well  I won't give you that point, but the bath 
>pillow, it's yours.
>
>  Sue H.
>     ----- Original Message -----
>    From:    Donovan Arnold
>    To: Sue Hovey ; v2020
>    Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:47    PM
>    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] real economic    development in Moscow
>
>
>    Sue,
>
>    I think you will find as I did, that a foam pillow for a bathtub would  
>   quickly mold. I find the selection of low calorie and sugar free foods 
>in    Moscow limited and more expensive than a larger city.
>
>    Yes Sue, your basic needs may be meet in Moscow, but many others are 
>not.    What if you had a child with a heart murmur, or was Autistic? What 
>if you are    a college student with $40,000 in debt and your degree is in 
>a field that does    not have any jobs or internships in Moscow?
>
>    There are many things that Moscow does not offer, particularly for 
>those    with a need to make more than $35,000 a year and don't have a 
>teaching    certificate. The average household income in Latah is less than 
>$35,000.
>
>    My Grandfather, Leeland G. Connelly, use to say, "The good thing about  
>   Moscow is that everyone knows who you are, and the the bad thing about 
>Moscow    is that everyone knows who you are."
>
>    I guess it depends on how you look at things, what you value most, what 
>    your needs are, and at what stage you are at in life.
>
>    Best,
>
>    Donovan
>
>    PS, Spokane is not a big city.
>
>
>
>Sue Hovey  wrote:
>              Actually, Donovan, one can find sugar free      pickles lots 
>of places and a bath pillow--well I haven't looked for one but      if I 
>needed to, I'd go to Tri State, buy some foam and make my      own.
>
>      One other issue.  Folks keep talking about      bringing in jobs and 
>making the comparison to Seattle, Pittsburg, etc.       What about those of 
>us who choose to live here because we can buy everything      we really 
>need here, we can get all the way across town in about 3 minutes,      we 
>can know a very big percentage of the population on a first name basis,     
>  we can enjoy a walk around town without being bothered by freeways, super 
>      highways, and busy pedestrians running to catch a bus or taxi.  And   
>    gridlock here in downtown Moscow on a really busy day lasts about 4     
>  seconds.  Call me a naysayer, but I like it this way.  And when I      
>really want to go to a big city to shop I do it in conjunction with a play  
>     in Spokane, a business trip to DC, or a vacation.  Or I shop over the  
>     Internet.  I don't need more of anything much as long as      
>Bookpeople, Casa Lopez and the Red Door, VGH, Tri State, Browns      
>Furniture, Sisters, Wild Women
>  Traders, and Rosauers stay in      business. And if Walmart closed its 
>doors, I wouldn't miss it for a      minute.  I like the ambiance of 
>downtown especially on a Farmer's      Market Morning.  Am I missing 
>anything---I don't think so.
>
>      Sue H.
>             ----- Original Message -----
>        From:        Donovan Arnold
>        To: Tom Hansen ; Bill London ;        lfalen        ; v2020
>        Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007        6:29 PM
>        Subject: Re: [Vision2020] real        economic development in 
>Moscow
>
>
>        I think you have to have the low tech and industrial jobs before we 
>        can support the high tech jobs. High technology jobs usually depend 
>on the        industrial jobs to produce the materials they manufacture. 
>Moscow does not        have the means, the human resources or the 
>industrial might, to support        high technological jobs. You can hardly 
>find sugar free pickles or a bath        pillow in Moscow, much less a 
>piece of gold shaped to the exact dimensions        needed for a conductor. 
>I would venture to say higher technological        companies like having 
>the resources and industry to supply them with        their materials 
>rather waiting weeks for it cross mountains and        rivers to Moscow, 
>Idaho, and having to pay for the transportation        jobs.
>
>        Jobs that don't need industry and materials are usually outsourced  
>       overseas.
>
>        I would suggest that Moscow take advantage of its valuable clays 
>and        fertile soil if it wants to branch outside of education as its 
>sole bread        winner.
>
>        Best,
>
>        Donovan
>
>Tom Hansen         wrote:
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>FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma }          In my opinion, it is really 
>quite simple, Mr. Falen.
>
>The          retail stores will follow the high tech jobs into town alot 
>quicker than          high tech jobs will follow retail stores.
>
>As more and more          high tech jobs are available here in Moscow, more 
>and more people will          seek those high-tech (pronounced "high 
>paying") jobs.
>
>As          more and more people fill those high tech, high paying jobs, 
>the more          money there is flowing around the city of Moscow.
>
>Also, as          these jobs develop into careers, people holding those 
>jobs evolve from a          person to a couple to a family.
>
>As more and more money is          distributed around the city of Moscow 
>(by these persons, couples,          families), more and more retail 
>outlets will establish themselves in          Moscow.
>
>And just FYI, Mr. Falen:  That, to me, is          GROWTH.
>
>If you think that by flooding the city of Moscow          with retail store 
>after retail store after retail store, this will          attract the high 
>tech jobs, you are only fooling          yourself.
>
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
> > From: london at moscow.com
> > To: lfalen at turbonet.com;          vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:36:59          -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] real economic development in          Moscow
> >
> > R-
> > You missed the point.
> > These          high-tech jobs can go anywhere. All towns want them.
> > The          entrepreneurs can be choosy, and they are choosy. They want 
>towns with
> > a high quality of life.
> > If Moscow sacrifices its high          quality of life for (what you 
>describe as)
> > "almost anything          that will provide jobs, increase the tax base 
>and improve
> > the          overall economy", then we lose what now attracts these 
>high-tech          jobs.
> > You just can not have it both ways.
> > I want to live          in a town that maintains its high quality of 
>life and
> > therefore          is attractive to high-tech jobs -- not a town that 
>has no
> >          standards but goes for any growth.
> > BL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "lfalen" 
> > To: "Bill          London" ; "v2020"          
>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007          10:34 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] real economic development in          Moscow
> >
> >
> > >I can't argue with bringing in          high-tech companies, I'm all 
>for it. I think
> > >Moscow should          try to attract all kinds of businesses. It is 
>fine to place
> >          >controls on those that would create undue pollution. Other 
>than that
> > >promote almost anything that will provide jobs, increase          the 
>tax base and
> > >improve the overall economy.
> > >          Roger
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: "Bill          London" london at moscow.com
> > > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:58:18          -0700
> > > To: "v2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >          Subject: [Vision2020] real economic development in Moscow
> >          >
> > >>
> > >> Today's Tribune article about the          MCA forum held last night 
>is a great
> > >> summary of the          choices facing Moscow voters in this council 
>election.
> > >>          Vote for the future with MCA endorsed candidates and Moscow 
>will aim for
> > >> both maintaining its uniqueness and attracting more          
>entrepreneurial
> > >> businesses. My thanks to the MCA board          for sponsoring this 
>forum. BL
> > >>
> > >>          ----------------
> > >> Is high-tech the key to Moscow's          future?
> > >> Forum sponsored by Moscow Civic Association          brings together 
>business and
> > >> community leaders
> >          >> By David Johnson
> > >> October 23, 2007
> >          >>
> > >>
> > >> MOSCOW - The economic future          of Moscow will depend more on 
>attracting and
> > >> retaining          high-tech companies than encouraging more housing 
>and retail
> >          >> business, members of a panel agreed Monday night.
> >          >>
> > >> "In the basic form, economic development is          jobs," said B.J. 
>Swanson,
> > >> vice president of          AmericanWest Bank here and chairwoman of 
>the board of
> > >>          directors for Gritman Medical Center. "But not just any 
>job." She said
> > >> jobs should provide enough money to offer a reasonably          
>comfortable
> > >> living.
> > >>
> > >>          Robin Woods, president of Alturas Analytics located in 
>Moscow, said 100
> > >> percent of her bio-tech business comes from outside          Idaho, 
>most of it
> > >> from the San Francisco Bay Area.          Yet, she and her partners 
>opted to
> > >> locate here because          of the quality of life that's available
> > >>
> >          >> "Probably it would have been better to locate in San 
>Francisco          or
> > >> Seattle, but with Fed Ex and the fiber-optic that          we have 
>... and with
> > >> the Internet, the world is flat          and we can conduct our 
>business here,"
> > >> Woods          said.
> > >>
> > >> David Alexander, a UI graduate          and CEO of Ivus Industries, a 
>small
> > >> business he          decided to locate here, said Moscow is an ideal 
>location for
> >          >> entrepreneurs to tap into a high-tech labor pool that spins 
>off          both the
> > >> University of Idaho and neighboring          Washington State 
>University in
> > >> Pullman.
> >          >>
> > >> "What the business is, is a focus on extremely          fast-charging 
>rechargeable
> > >> products," Alexander said          of his startup company. He said 
>the company,
> > >> which has          four employees, is currently developing a 
>fast-charging
> >          >> flashlight.
> > >>
> > >> Judy Brown, an          economist and director of the Idaho Center on 
>Budget and
> >          >> Tax Policy, said research shows if a community creates a 
>good          living
> > >> environment, jobs will come. "The key thing          that attracts" 
>entrepreneurs
> > >> and businesses to an          area, Brown said, is quality of life, 
>not tax
> > >>          breaks.
> > >>
> > >> "Quality of life and the          ability to work either from home or 
>near home,"
> > >> she          said, "are the two really key things in deciding where 
>people locate
> > >> those kinds of businesses."
> > >>
> >          >> The forum, sponsored by the Moscow Civic Association, comes 
>two          weeks
> > >> prior to a city council election here that many          say hinges 
>on attitudes
> > >> about economic growth. Bruce          Livingston, president of the 
>MCA, said the
> > >> forum was          called in part to dispel the notion that the MCA 
>is
> > >>          anti-economic growth. He said the MCA is "pro business, pro 
>growth and
> > >> pro community."
> > >>
> > >>          About 30 people, including several council candidates, 
>attended the          forum
> > >> at the 1912 Center.
> > >>
> >          >> Swanson said Moscow needs to wean itself from a housing and  
>         retail
> > >> fixation about growth. "Our voracious appetite          to approve 
>subdivision
> > >> after subdivision, to build          high-end homes, has run out of 
>high-end
> > >> people to          occupy them," Swanson said, adding that new retail 
>businesses
> >          >> seem to be only replacing old ones.
> > >>
> >          >> "Over-built housing and replacement retail is not a good     
>      economic model,"
> > >> Swanson said.
> >          >>
> > >> According to statistics presented at the          forum, Moscow has a 
>population
> > >> of about 22,350 and UI          employs about 2,870 people. Gritman 
>employs 431,
> > >> with          the Moscow School District and Wal-Mart, by comparison, 
>employing
> > >> 350 and 207 people, respectively.
> >          >>
> > >> Swanson said it's time for the community to          get back on the 
>right
> > >> economic track with the primary          focus on good-paying jobs 
>and a secondary
> > >> focus on          housing and retail business. "And as always, focus 
>on anything
> >          >> that will help the University of Idaho. They've carried us 
>for          years.
> > >> It's time for us to get out and carry          ourselves."
> > >>
> > >> All the panelists said          Moscow city officials and members of 
>the city
> > >> council          have been extremely pro-business.
> > >>
> > >> "Our          intent is to hire WSU and University of Idaho 
>graduates," Woods said
> > >> about her expanding business. She said that all but          one of 
>the 30 people
> > >> working at Alturas Analytics are          from the two universities. 
>Woods said
> > >> it's important          for Moscow to complete it's rewrite of the 
>comprehensive
> >          >> plan, and to keep tech businesses together to encourage more 
>          business.
> > >>
> > >> "I think it's important to          have kind of a think-tank 
>atmosphere," she
> > >> said, "kind          of a campus atmosphere in your tech park. So I 
>don't think
> >          >> it's a good idea to scatter things here and there."
> >          >>
> > >> Swanson pointed out Alturas Technology Park,          located on the 
>southeastern
> > >> edge of town, had modest          beginnings, but now is home to 
>around 150 jobs
> > >> that          have annual salaries of $50,000 and up. "And those jobs 
>really
> >          >> contribute back to the community," she said.
> >          >>
> > >> ---
> > >>
> > >> Johnson          may be contacted at deveryone at potlatch.com or (208) 
>883-0564.
> >          >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
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