[Vision2020] [OFF LIST] Quick Question
Tom Hansen
thansen at moscow.com
Wed May 9 16:43:03 PDT 2007
Keep in mind that we are talking about the same legislature that feels
background criminal checks of those individuals seeking employment at a
child day care center ARE NOT required.
Sidebar: Both Reps. Ringo and Trail have been pushing for this type of
legislation for some time now.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"Uh, how about a 1-strike law. Death doesn't seem too extreme for a Level-3
sex offender."
- Dale "Comb-Over" Courtney (August 3, 2005)
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To: Glenn Schwaller; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [OFF LIST] Quick Question
Glenn
It looks like there needs to be some new legislation here. You seem to
knowledgeable on what needs to be changed. Would you be interested in
working with Tom Trail and Gary Schroeder on writing a bill to solve this
problem?
Roger
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From: "Glenn Schwaller" vpschwaller at gmail.com
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 16:07:38 -0700
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [OFF LIST] Quick Question
> Mr Hansen
>
> Accountability can be a tough thing to find, and I agree with you that
eight
> days is totally irresponsible. Registration prior to release seems such a
> no-brainer. Sigh . . .
>
> Sorry I didn't do well with your sarcasm - I understand your frustration,
> and those at P&P have the same level of frustration, if not more. There
are
> only two full time probation and parole officers in the Moscow district
> sharing in the neighborhood of 60+ probationer / parolees. Many of them
are
> required to check in weekly, if not daily, and all check in (personal
> face-to-face check in's) every month. Given the budget, time, legislature
> etc there is only so much they can do. I guess the best the public can do
> is to review the sex offender postings with their kids on a monthly basis
so
> they can see their faces and know where they live.
>
> Thanks
>
> Schwaller
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5/9/07, Tom Hansen <idahotom at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Mr. Schwaller -
> >
> > I wasn't accusing or suggesting that you were offering excuses. I was
> > simply demanding accountability.
> >
> > The eight-day requirement seems absolutely irresponsible. I would want
> > ALL
> > sex offenders registered PRIOR to release. This way, if for some
> > bureaucratic red-tape reason the sex offender's registration is delayed,
> > at
> > least we will know where (s)he is.
> >
> > Until that discrepency is corrected, we will have to live with this
> > eight-day "window". Sitler's eight days (according to my calendar)
> > expires
> > on Saturday (unless for another irresponsible reason the Registry takes
> > weekends off).
> >
> > My reference to "when bars close" was basic sarcasm, intended to draw
> > attention to the level of supervision being maintained by those in
> > authority, nothing else.
> >
> > Concerning your implication that I am restricting my attention to
members
> > of
> > Christ Church, isn't that a bit insignificant when the subject of our
> > concerns is a Level 3 sex offender.
> >
> > Although this email is offlist, I will post it to V2020 this afternoon.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Glenn Schwaller" <vpschwaller at gmail.com>
> > >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Quick Question
> > >Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 13:04:54 -0700
> > >
> > >Tom et al.
> > >
> > >I wasn't offering any excuses - I intended to state only what I did or
> > did
> > >not know. Here is the information I have from Idaho code Title 18-8307
> > >Registration:
> > >
> > >The written notification shall be a form provided by the department
> > >and approved by the attorney general and shall be signed by the
> > defendant.
> > >The
> > >court shall retain one (1) copy, provide one (1) copy to the offender,
> > and
> > >submit one (1) copy to the central registry within three (3) working
days
> > >of
> > >
> > >release.
> > >
> > >(c) Within five (5) days of the mailing date of the notice, the
offender
> > > shall appear in person at the office of the sheriff with
jurisdiction
> > >for
> > > the purpose of completing the registration process;
> > >
> > >So I guess Mr Sitler has 8 days to comply - don't know how weekends fit
> > >into
> > >that scheduling.
> > >
> > >As far as other concerns:
> > >
> > >"1) Does Sitler's employment entail customer service/interaction?"
> > >
> > >I don't know. P&P would.
> > >
> > >"2) Does Sitler's employment place him within proximity of children?"
> > >
> > >I don't know. Since his employer knows of his offense and has been
> > >contacted by P&P, one would hope this would be monitored. There may be
> > >strict limits on what distance "proximity" is, and any violation of
this
> > >would be a violation of his probation. This could result in the judge
> > >imposing the original sentence (life in prison).
> > >
> > >"3) Is Sitler's employment (in any way, shape, form, or fashion)
> > >affiliated
> > >with child day care?"
> > >
> > >Highly unlikely: it is a felony as provided in section 18-8327, Idaho
> > Code,
> > >for an offender to accept employment in any day care center, group day
> > care
> > >facility or family day care home, as those terms are defined in chapter
> > 11,
> > >title 39, Idaho Code, or to be upon or to remain on the premises
> > >of a day care center, group day care facility or family day care home
> > while
> > >children are present, other than to drop off or pick up the offender's
> > >child or children.
> > >
> > >"Is this supervision being maintained 24/7 or only until the bars
close?"
> > >
> > >I'm not sure what the "until the bars close" comment is meant to
convey.
> > >Are you asking if P&P officers are on the clock until the bars
> > close? Are
> > >you asking if it is "safe" outside until the bars close and Mr Sitler
> > >leaves
> > >one? I don't know all the details of Mr Sitler's probation, but going
to
> > a
> > >bar is most assuredly NOT an option for him. If the tomandrodna site
is
> > >yours, you might check your own posting on Mr Sitler's crime and read
the
> > >probation documents.
> > >
> > >As part of his probation, Mr Sitler will be required to take polygraph
> > >tests
> > >as part of his treatment program, and quite possible for the duration
of
> > >his
> > >probation. A "distressed" polygraph will result in an investigation by
> > P&P
> > >which could lead to a probation violation and and imposing of the
> > original
> > >sentence.
> > >
> > >I think we are all concerned. I think we all need to ask questions,
and
> > >get
> > >as many answers as possible. I think we need to be concerned about 1)
> > ALL
> > >the predatory sex offenders in our community and not 2) only those
> > >affiliated with Christ Church. One strikes of caution and concern; the
> > >other of persecution.
> > >
> > >Schwaller
> > >
> > >"Be concerned. Be very concerned"
> > > (with more apologies to Veronica Quaife)
> > >
> > >
> > >On 5/9/07, Tom Hansen <idahotom at hotmail.com > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>As of 11:30 this morning (May 9, 2007), Steven J. Sitler is NOT listed
> > on
> > >>the Idaho Sex Offender Registry.
> > >>
> > >>Following Mr. Schwaller's fairly substantiated assumption that Sitler
> > was
> > >>released last Friday (May 4, 2007), why is he not listed on the sex
> > >>offender
> > >>registry?
> > >>
> > >>The excuse that "maybe the registry hasn't been updated yet" does not
> > hold
> > >>water and definitely should not relieve our community
> > conscience. Perhaps
> > >>Sitler shold have remained in jail until he is properly listed on the
> > >>registry.
> > >>
> > >>Mr. Schwaller goes on to suggest that SItler is employed here in
> > >>Moscow. I
> > >>am not specificaly interested in where Sitler is working as much as:
> > >>
> > >>1) Does Sitler's employment entail customer service/interaction?
> > >>
> > >>2) Does Sitler's employment place him within proximity of children?
> > >>
> > >>3) Is Sitler's employment (in any way, shape, form, or fashion)
> > >>affiliated
> > >>with child day care?
> > >>
> > >>In most states question #3 would be considered ludicrous. In Idaho
> > >>(thanks
> > >>to our state legislature), it is a major concern.
> > >>
> > >>Mr. Schwaller further states that Sitler is being closely
> > >>monitored/supervised. Is this supervision being maintained 24/7 or
only
> > >>until the bars close?
> > >>
> > >>Again, as I have mentioned earlier, this is NOT to be considered
> > >>persecution
> > >>on my part as it should be a major safety concern of our community.
> > >>Although I do not have any children, I have friends who do have
> > children.
> > >>Their concerns are my concerns.
> > >>
> > >>Seeya round town, Moscow.
> > >>
> > >>Tom Hansen
> > >>Moscow, Idaho
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >From: "Glenn Schwaller" <vpschwaller at gmail.com >
> > >> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Quick Question
> > >> >Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:40:55 -0700
> > >> >
> > >> >Tom - I did post something last Saturday to the effect that the
best
> > to
> > >>my
> > >> >knowledge Mr Sitler is out under the supervision or Probation and
> > >>Parole.
> > >> >Due to time constraints, I was unable to attend the hearing on
Friday
> > >> >afternoon, but his car is no longer in the courthouse parking lot,
so
> > >>I'm
> > >>
> > >> >assuming he is out and about.
> > >> >
> > >> >To my knowledge he is still attending therapy in Clarkston and
> > >>Pullman. I
> > >> >suspect he is on a short leash as far as leaving Moscow (or at least
> > >> >District 2) requiring him to notify P&P when he leaves and when he
> > >>returns,
> > >> >and that he is within the time constraints P&P may have placed on
him
> > >>for
> > >> >traveling to and from his sessions.
> > >> >
> > >> >My understanding is that he is gainfully employed in the Moscow
> > area. I
> > >> >suspect if one is really interested in the details, one may call
> > >>District
> > >>2
> > >> >P&P (208-883-3547) as a concerned citizen and see what information
> > they
> > >>can
> > >> >give.
> > >> >
> > >> >Alternatively (or additionally) one could email Murph at the Daily
> > News
> > >>and
> > >> >ask for a "what's the deal here?"
> > >> >One can also go to:
> > >>
>www.isp.state.id.us/identification/*sex*_*offender*/public_access.html
> > >> >and see if Mr Sitler has registered. I'm not sure how long he has
to
> > >> >register once he's out, or how often the list is updated.
> > >> >
> > >> >I find it a bit curious that there has been a considerable amount of
> > >> >"traffic" concerning Mr Sitler and Mr Wight, particularly
considering
> > >>that
> > >> >2
> > >> >other sex offenders have been released into the Moscow area in the
> > last
> > >>2
> > >> >weeks, and no one has asked about those particular individuals . . .
> > >> >
> > >> >Hmmmmm . . .
> > >> >
> > >> >Schwaller
> > >> >
> > >> >"Once upon a time there were cannibals; there are no cannibals any
> > more"
> > >> > Mark Knopfler
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >On 5/8/07, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com > wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Quick question: Is anybody aware of the results of last Friday's
> > >>review
> > >> >>hearing concerning:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Steven J. Sitler
> > >> >> http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR_2005_02027/
> > >> >>
> > >> >>He has completed the one-year incarceration portion of his
> > >>sentence. The
> > >> >>review hearing was to determine if he should (or should not) be
> > >>released
> > >>
> > >> >>on
> > >> >>probation.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>As Steven Sitler is a Level 3 sex offender, this should not be
> > regarded
> > >>as
> > >> >>
> > >> >>persecution on my part, but a major safety concern for the
community
> > as
> > >>a
> > >> >>whole.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>I have browsed both the Lewiston Tribune and the Moscow-Pullman
Daily
> > >>News
> > >> >>for the past couple days. NOT A WORD.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>However, it should be noted that the Moscow-Pullman Daily News did
> > >>report
> > >> >>on
> > >> >>NSA's commencement "book signing". Is the Daily News simply
unaware
> > of
> > >> >>Sitler's hearing, or were they simply blind-sided and swamped by
the
> > >>NSA
> > >> >>book signing?
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Tom Hansen
> > >> >>Moscow, Idaho
> > >> >>
> > >> >>"Uh, how about a 1-strike law. Death doesn't seem too extreme for a
> > >> >>Level-3
> > >> >>sex offender."
> > >> >>
> > >> >>- Dale "Comb-Over" Courtney (August 3, 2005)
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
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