[Vision2020] WA Initiative 1-957 - DOMA

Sat Mar 3 10:29:00 PST 2007

I guess irony succeeds when people can't recognize it.

Of course it's serious Tom and Megan, in the sense that it exists and is 
being promoted.  Those promoting it are well aware it won't succeed.

They're making the point that opponents of gay marriage cite the inability 
of gays in the marriage to procreate with each other as a reason to prevent 
gay marriages.

They're bringing this legislation because they know those same opponents are 
unlikely to oppose or urge the end of childless (for whatever reason) 
heterosexual marriages, and intend then to point to the hypocrisy of these 
same opponents.

And of course, if those opponents agree to such legislation, they will then 
alienate heterosexuals who don't have children.

Sunil

>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>To: "'keely emerinemix'" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>, <megan at meganpru.com>,        
><vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] WA Initiative 1-957 - DOMA
>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:20:48 -0800
>
>I assure you, Keely.  This is NOT a joke.
>
>Here is a link to the I-957 PDF file from the state of Washington's
>Secretary of State office.  It is virtually identical to the initiative
>reflected at the DOMA site.
>
>http://www.secstate.wa.gov/elections/initiatives/text/i957.pdf.
>
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
>
>"If not us, who?
>If not now, when?"
>
>- Unknown
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of keely emerinemix
>Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 3:09 PM
>To: megan at meganpru.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] WA Initiative 1-957 - DOMA
>
>It IS a joke.  The intention was irony to make a larger point.  This is
>unlike much of what passes for politics in Idaho, where the intention is
>serious and only the result is groan-worthy.
>
>keely
>
>
>
>From: Megan Prusynski <megan at meganpru.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] WA Initiative 1-957 - DOMA
>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:21:05 -0800
>
>Wow, I am shocked that something this backwards and discriminatory  would
>even be brought up these days... disgusting. It will never  pass, 
>hopefully,
>
>because that just sounds like fascism.
>
>By that initiative, if I were to marry my boyfriend (assuming we  lived in
>WA), we'd have to have kids after 3 years or forfeit our  marriage?!? So 
>the
>
>state would be not only contributing to  overpopulation, but controlling
>people's lives. We're not sure I want  to have kids, and it sure as hell
>isn't gonna be within 3 years. That  is just ridiculous (almost makes me
>think it's a joke!)....
>
>~megan
>
>On Mar 2, 2007, at 1:33 PM, vision2020-request at moscow.com wrote:
>
> >----- Original Message ----
> >From: Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com>
> >To: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Sent: Friday, March 2, 2007 1:10:53 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Washington Initiative I-957 (Defense of
> >MarriageInitiative)
> >
> >
> >It will never fly.  It is discrimination pure and simple and is  
>offensive
> >to so many different groups.  What a waste of time and  effort when there
> >are so many really important issues to be  considered.
> >
> >Ellen A. Roskovich
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >From:  "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> >To:  "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject:  [Vision2020] Washington Initiative I-957 (Defense of
> >MarriageInitiative)
> >Date:  Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:43:49 -0800
> >>>From the Defense of Marriage Alliance website at:
> >>
> >>http://www.wa-doma.org/
> >>
> >>"If passed by Washington voters, the Defense of Marriage  Initiative (WA
> >>I-957) would:
> >>
> >>- add the phrase, 'who are capable of having children with one  another'
> >>to
> >>the legal definition of marriage;
> >>
> >>- require that couples married in Washington file proof of  procreation
> >>within three years of the date of marriage or have their marriage
> >>automatically annulled;
> >>
> >>- require that couples married out of state file
> >proof of procreation within
> >>three years of the date of marriage or have their marriage classed as
> >>"unrecognized;"
> >>
> >>- establish a process for filing proof of procreation; and make it a
> >>criminal act for people in an unrecognized marriage to receive  marriage
> >>benefits."
> >>
> >>This initiative, as supported by the Defense of Marriage Alliance, is
> >>available for downloading and review at:
> >>
> >>http://www.wa-doma.org/Initiative.aspx
> >>
> >>Although the unwritten purpose of this initiative may be clearly
> >>understood
> >>(the denial of same-sex marriages/unions), its passage would further
> >>prohibit the marriage of ANY couple that is not capable of  procreating:
> >>the
> >>elderly, cancer survivors, women who have undergone  hysterectomies, men
> >>who
> >>have undergone vasectomies, etc.
> >etc.
> >>
> >>Your thoughts, Vision 2020?
> >>
> >>Tom "Straight But Not Narrow" Hansen
> >>Moscow, Idaho
> >>
> >>"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of  bigotry
> >>in
> >>that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their
> >>humanity,
> >>their dignity and personhood,"
> >>
> >>- Coretta Scott King (March 30, 1998)
>
>
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