[Vision2020] Jeb Bush Featured in Gay Marriage Ads

[Paul Rumelhart]

I agree completely with that.  The state should be able to accept a 
marriage between any two consenting adults as genuine.  Nobody is 
talking about forcing church officials to perform wedding ceremonies for 
unions they are uncomfortable with.  Priests or pastors would simply not 
allow a same-sex marriage to be performed in their church, so the couple 
would have to have it done at City Hall or Vegas or with some other 
church that doesn't see it as wrong if they wish to continue.

That way, the state is not stepping on the church's desire to determine 
what they call a marriage, and the church is not stepping on the state's 
desire to allow other types of unions that other church's accept.  Seems 
like a win on both sides to me.

Paul

Pat Kraut wrote:
> The state has no right to force the church to do something it is against. If
> the state wants to do it...go for it...but the church should not be forced
> into anything.
>
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Jeb Bush Featured in Gay Marriage Ads
>
>
> Why is it not a state issue?  Why not open it up so that any two
> consenting adults can marry each other and gain the benefits that
> heterosexual couples currently enjoy?  The individual churches can still
> refuse to marry any two people based upon whatever criteria they care to
> name.  There are plenty of religions that don't have a problem with it.
> So why should they be restricted in what they can do simply because some
> other groups does have a problem with it?  This is why the separation of
> church and state is a good thing.  It provides a framework that people
> of all different creeds can use as they see fit.
>
> I really wish church leaders would govern their own flocks, and stop
> trying to control all the other faiths.
>
> Paul
>
> pkraut at moscow.com wrote:
>   
>> You are trying to argue with the state and this is a church issue. The
>> church does not want to marry homosexuals because the bible talks about it
>> being an no-no. The church also questioned marrying outside of their
>> religion and race because the bible suggests it is not a good thing. By
>> taking the issue to the church you would actually have to discuss this
>> problem with some reality which of course is why it is presented to the
>> state. If the church decided to marry outside of race you need to seek the
>> answer from churches. There are churches that are willing to marry
>> homosexuals also...with some of the same problems that happened when some
>> chose to marry outside of race.
>>
>>
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>>     
>>> >From today's (June 3, 2007) Spokesman Review -
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Jeb Bush featured in gay marriage ads
>>> Lesley Clark
>>> McClatchy
>>> June 3, 2007
>>>
>>> WASHINGTON - Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, the poster child for gay
>>> marriage?
>>>
>>> A coalition of civil rights groups that back gay marriage is using
>>>
>>>       
>> photos of
>>
>>     
>>> prominent couples like the former Republican governor and his Mexican-
>>>
>>>       
>> born
>>
>>     
>>> wife, Columba, in an advertising campaign marking the 40th anniversary of
>>> Loving v. Virginia, a U.S. Supreme Court decision that gave interracial
>>> couples the right to marry.
>>>
>>> The groups say they hope to use the couples and the court case to bolster
>>> their contention that marriage is a civil right that should know no
>>>
>>>       
>> bounds -
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>>> even for those of the same sex.
>>>
>>> "We're honoring and celebrating something that just over 40 years ago
>>>
>>>       
>> some
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>>> Americans said was immoral and wrong and could not happen," said Jimmy
>>> Creech, the executive director of Faith in America, a gay rights advocacy
>>> group that is bankrolling the ad campaign. "We're celebrating the wisdom
>>> that prejudice and bigotry was removed from the law books and Americans
>>>
>>>       
>> were
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>>     
>>> given the right to marry the person they loved, regardless of race."
>>>
>>> The "Freedom to Marry" advertising campaign - to be launched Monday -
>>> consists of six ads that will run in two Capitol Hill publications, Roll
>>> Call and Politico. They feature photos of interracial couples like golfer
>>> Tiger Woods and his wife, Elin, and former U.S. Defense Secretary Bill
>>>
>>>       
>> Cohen
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>>     
>>> and his wife, Janet Langhart, who have authored a book about their
>>>
>>>       
>> marriage,
>>
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>>> "Love in Black and White." Couples married to someone of a different
>>> ethnicity, like the Bushes, are also featured.
>>>
>>> The ads note that 16 states still banned interracial marriages until the
>>> Supreme Court struck down a Virginia law in 1967, finding "the freedom to
>>> marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights
>>>
>>>       
>> essential
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>>> to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men."
>>>
>>> "Jeb and Columba Bush couldn't marry today if discrimination were still
>>>
>>>       
>> the
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>>> law of the land," the ad that features the former Florida first couple
>>> reads.
>>>
>>> Bush didn't respond to a request for comment. But John Stemberger, an
>>> Orlando attorney who is spearheading a petition drive to put a gay
>>>
>>>       
>> marriage
>>
>>     
>>> ban up for a vote in Florida in 2008, called the ads "a little bit
>>>
>>>       
>> silly."
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>>     
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>>
>>> Tom Hansen
>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>
>>> "Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in
>>> Albany, Georgia and St. Augustine, Florida, and many other campaigns of
>>>
>>>       
>> the
>>
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>>> Civil Rights Movement.  Many of these courageous men and women were
>>>
>>>       
>> fighting
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>>> for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own,
>>>
>>>       
>> and
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>>     
>>> I salute their contributions."
>>>
>>> - Coretta Scott King (March 30, 1998)
>>>
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