[Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
lfalen
lfalen at turbonet.com
Wed Jan 31 17:02:26 PST 2007
Agreed
-----Original message-----
From: Mark Solomon msolomon at moscow.com
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:20:41 -0800
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com, "Sunil Ramalingam" sunilramalingam at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
> Roger,
>
> The same conclusion you reach when seeing vultures preying on a sick
> animal also apply to other predators, wolves included: predators tend
> to prey on animals that take the least energy to bring down - the
> sick, old and newborn.
>
> Mark
>
> At 3:41 PM -0800 1/31/07, lfalen wrote:
> >Mark
> >Some of your statements are ture and some can be questioned. The
> >government does pay for verified losses. These things are hard to
> >verify. As you said there has been one payment in Latah county. The
> >loss in the Soutwick area has been considerably grater than that. In
> >any case this is an unnecessary expense.To attribute losses to
> >vultures is ridiculous. vultures feed on carcasses but do not kill
> >any cattle. I have seen them eating on something that is still
> >barely alive. But they were not the cause of death to a health
> >animal. Think about the size of a vulture and the size of a cow.
> >Owls and Eagles will prey on small rodents and cats, but not on
> >cattle.
> >
> >Roger
> >-----Original message-----
> >From: Mark Solomon msolomon at moscow.com
> >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:23:47 -0800
> >To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com, "Sunil Ramalingam"
> >sunilramalingam at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
> >
> >> For those who may not be aware of it, Defenders of Wildlife maintains
> >> a livestock predation fund to compensate any rancher who Fish and
> >> Wildlife Service says has lost stock to wolves. According to
> >> information on their website, the fund has made 412 payments totaling
> >> $536,985 to cover the loss of 514 cows, 1421 sheep and 57 "other
> >> animals" from 1987 to 2005. One payment for cattle is listed for
> >> Latah County.
> >>
> >> The following is from the Defenders website:
> >> http://www.defenders.org/wildlife/new/wolves/loss.html
> >>
> >> * In the continental U.S., health issues such as respiratory
> >> problems, digestive problems, calving complications and disease were
> >> overwhelmingly the most significant causes of cattle death in 2005.
> >>
> >> * Only 0.11% of all cattle losses were due to wolf predation in 2005.
> >>
> >> * Coyotes killed more than 22 times more cattle than wolves
> >> killed that year.
> >>
> >> * Domestic dogs killed almost 5 times as many cattle, and
> >> vultures killed almost twice as many cattle as wolves did in 2005.
> >>
> >> * Theft was responsible for almost 5 times as many cattle losses
> >> as were lost by wolf predation.
> >>
> >> * Predation by coyotes was the largest cause of sheep loss in
> >> 2005, accounting for 23% of all losses, followed by health problems &
> >> weather-related issues.
> >>
> >> * In states with wolf populations, an average of less than 2.5%
> >> of sheep loss was due to predation by wolves in 2005.
> >>
> >> I'm not going to argue that there isn't a traumatic loss when the
> >> animals you've raised are killed by a wolf, but the economic loss is
> >> minimized if not zeroed out by the compensation fund. Plus, when you
> >> look at the causes of livestock loss listed above, wolves are way
> >> down the list.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> At 3:03 PM -0800 1/31/07, lfalen wrote:
> >> >I don't know that they have said that directly, but the loss of
> >> >livestock to wolves does not seem to be of a concern or is
> >> >minimized. That is the same thing.
> >> >
> >> >Roger
> >> >-----Original message-----
> >> >From: "Sunil Ramalingam" sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> >> >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:37:08 -0800
> >> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
> >> >
> >> >> Roger,
> >> >>
> >> >> How many people have said here they don't care about the livelihood of
> >> >> livestock producers?
> >> >>
> >> >> Sunil
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> >> >> >Reply-To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> >> >> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> >> >Subject: [Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
> >> >> >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:01:20 -0800
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Will
> >> >> > I am mostly in agreement with your statements on a balance in the
> >> >> >ecosystem. however I do not think that killing off old cow
> >>elk has anything
> > > >> >to do with the productive of young ones. One thing that is
> >missing is the
> >> >> >disregard of the effects on livestock. I understand that you
> >>folks do not
> >> >> >care about the lively hood of livestock producers, which is
> >>why you do not
> >> >> >take this into consideration or downgrade it. I do not have a
> >>problem with
> >> >> >maintaining some wolves, but they need to be controlled. They
> >>are much more
> >> >> >dangerous than coyotes. I am a believer in multiple use. This includes
> >> >> >everyone, including livestock producers. I am a supporter of The Nature
> >> >> >conservancy. I used to be a member of the Audubon Society,
> >>but their views
> >> >> >have became too one side. The Sierra Club has always ben too
> >>radical for
> >> >> >me. As an aside, I was raised in the middle of what is called
> >>the Owyhee
> >> >> >Initiative. Our place was about 50 miles from Jordan Valley,
> >>Oregon and 80
> >> >> >miles from Bruneau, Idaho. I supp!
> >> >> > ort the
> >> >> >Owyhee Imitative as do most of my former neighbors that still
> >>live there.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Roger
> >> >> >
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