[Vision2020] Fw: development (was Brady)

Mon Jan 15 17:45:06 PST 2007

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] development (was Brady)


> Well you could buy me the latte and offer Anita a firm handshake.
>
> Sue
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> To: <anitasonriente at aol.com>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] development (was Brady)
>
>
>> It wasn't my intention to suggest that you were too dense to understand 
>> the
>> issue, Anita.  My thought was that sometimes opponents of the 
>> developments
>> there were not as clear as they could be.  No offense intended.
>>
>> It might surprise you to know that I have no problem with James Toyota
>> relocating there; with Moscow's city limit kissing the state line on the
>> west and not much development potential east, it's hardly a surprise that
>> the dealership, wanting to grow and to serve both communities, would 
>> expand
>> into Washington.  Short of taking over the Applebee's parking lot, it's 
>> all
>> they can do.  If, for example, the state line were equidistant between
>> Moscow and Pullman, I'd be willing to bet that they'd prefer to be in 
>> Idaho.
>>  It isn't, though, and if they want to expand, their options are limited.
>> I wish James Toyota could go someplace else, because I like the idea of
>> keeping Moscow and Pullman separated by farmlands.  It's not likely to
>> happen, though, given that the only significant traffic into Moscow is
>> either from 95 south or the Pullman Road, which allows no "in-Idaho"
>> expansion to the west.
>>
>> I don't understand your concern about coffee shops downtown.  I realize 
>> that
>> Moscow's economic future is greatly enhanced but not utterly dependent on
>> small, locally-owned businesses.  What makes Moscow as wonderful as it is 
>> is
>> the proliferation of people-oriented, walkable, locally-owned outlets 
>> that
>> appear to not only exist, but thrive.  But downtown doesn't meet every 
>> need
>> people have, and the options appear to be either consume less (not likely
>> for most people), shop online (and direct all dollars out of our 
>> community),
>> or allow for retail expansion, which keeps at least some money around 
>> here.
>> I intend to buy all of my home improvement products from Moscow Building
>> Supply regardless of how many Lowe's and Home Depots are built here, but 
>> if
>> there were no MBS, I'd rather shop at the nationally-owned stores than go
>> online for, say, replacement hardware for my vintage cabinets.
>>
>> I'm not an economist, and my liberal tendencies don't incline towards
>> assuming that all development is bad (that high school thing, again!), 
>> but
>> it's a tricky issue and I don't think the City Council and other
>> environmental/community activists' concerns can be easily dismissed by
>> charges that they're just "no-growth zealots."  Likewise, all 
>> development,
>> like all economic growth, isn't good.  I'm glad we have people who care
>> enough to fight what they see as harmful, even if we ultimately disagree.
>>
>> So, again -- sorry I offended you.  I sense that offering to buy you a 
>> latte
>> downtown probably isn't something you'd welcome, but the offer is 
>> sincere.
>>
>> keely
>>
>>
>> From: anitasonriente at aol.com
>> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Why I didn't vote for Brady......
>> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:55:30 -0500
>>
>> Keely,
>>
>> I am not confused by any matter.  Thanks for the thought though.  I am 
>> quite
>> capable of understanding things.  Truly how bad of an impact is building
>> this mall and the James Toyota dealership going to be on the water?  It 
>> was
>> my understanding that the study had already been done and everything was 
>> in
>> compliance.  The amount of coffee shops in downtown Moscow are 
>> ridiculous!
>> Foot traffic?  Big deal!  Tell me how having all of these cofee shops
>> downtown benefit downtown Moscow.
>>
>> Essentially, the City of Moscow needs to take care of things in their own
>> front yard before barking and complaining about someone elses.
>>
>> ~Anita
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>> To: anitasonriente at aol.com
>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Sent: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Why I didn't vote for Brady......
>>
>>
>> You don't sound bitter, just concerned -- and maybe confused about what 
>> our
>> concerns are. Coffee shops (and yes, there are a lot) don't impact the
>> environment, particularly the water supply, in the same way that huge 
>> retail
>> complexes do. The coffee shops downtown allow for a great deal of foot
>> traffic, whereas not many people will walk to the big boxes. And while I
>> strongly supported the construction of a new high school out on the Trail
>> property northeast of town, it was because of the enormous benefit to the
>> community, a benefit that I don't see from out-of-town retail behemoths.
>>
>> But welcome to the fray!
>>
>> keely
>>
>> From: anitasonriente at aol.com
>> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Why I didn't vote for Brady......
>> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:51:37 -0500
>>
>> Keely,
>>
>> If Moscow suffers economically from the impact, then it should fall on 
>> the
>> shoulders of the city council. They are the ones that do not want the new
>> business'. And besides, Whitman County is being smart.....they want to 
>> grow
>> with the times and they realize that by bringing these retail shops in, 
>> they
>> are not only keeping business local, they would have more jobs for their
>> community, etc. Oh yeah, but did I mention that Moscow hasn't kept out 
>> the
>> coffee shops? If I seem "bitter", it is because I would like to see 
>> Moscow
>> grow as I live here and I believe in my city and I shop locally. But when
>> you can go down main street and there are 8 places within a block that 
>> are
>> either coffee shops or they are restaurants that sell coffees, ie 
>> mocha's,
>> lattee's, etc., it gets to be a bit much.
>>
>> Anita :)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>> To: anitasonriente at aol.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Sent: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 8:18 PM
>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Why I didn't vote for Brady......
>>
>> I think, smiling Anita, that a lot of folks believe that Moscow would 
>> suffer
>> from the impact of a huge strip mall between here and Pullman. The state
>> line separates jurisdictions; it doesn't eliminate threats or risks from 
>> out
>> of state.
>>
>> keely
>>
>> From: anitasonriente at aol.com
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Why I didn't vote for Brady......
>> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:33:13 -0500
>>
>> I feel that Kai has made a very valid point. To some the hand shake may 
>> seam
>> trivial, but I was always taught that making a good first impression is 
>> very
>> important. The politicians know when they step into the political arena 
>> that
>> they will be embarking on a long grueling journey with long hours, bad 
>> food,
>> and even bad breathe for that matter. To make excuses as to why Brady had 
>> a
>> limp hand shake is simply that....an excuse. I have a hard time with
>> politicians in general because I simply do not believe a word they say. 
>> For
>> example, tell me how many of the fine City of Moscow city council members
>> are acting on what they promised in their campaigns? They were going to 
>> make
>> Moscow even better. What, with a another coffee shop downtown? Maybe 
>> instead
>> of Mayor Chaney and the Moscow City Council sticking their noses in the
>> happenings of events going on accross the border in Washington, perhaps 
>> they
>> should keep their vision on what is better for Moscow and go back to 
>> what!
>>   they promised us, the voters during their campaigning :)
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