[Vision2020] The Dougs et al.

[Ralph Nielsen]

You should be ashamed, Doug. You rip the Hebrew psalm completely out  
of its context and write the silly drivel below. You are certainly  
dodging the issue, aren't you?

As for saviors, this was written hundreds of years before Xianity was  
invented.

"I, I am the LORD, and besides me there is no savior" (Isaiah 43:11).

But however much you twist the Hebrew scriptures to make them say  
what they do not say, you are still headed for Sheol when you die.

Ralph


On Feb 26, 2007, at 3:40 PM, heirdoug at netscape.net wrote:
>
> Ralph,
>
> We sing the Psalms each week. So if we sing Psalm 55 then we must  
> be and we are not ashamed.
>
> But if you really read the Scriptures as you say you do and if the  
> Holy Spirit gives you any understanding what so ever, then you  
> would know that the passage that I cited is for those who once  
> believed and now have turned their back on the Savior of all  
> mankind. I know that you were Baptized in the Name of the Father  
> and the Son and the Holy Ghost so when did you stop believing?
>
> lemeno, Doug!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nielsen at uidaho.edu
> To: heirdoug at netscape.net
> Subject: Re: The Dougs et al.
>
> Be careful how you quote scripture, Doug. Others can do the same.  
> You quoted from Psalm 55, so can I.
>
> "Let Him [God] incite death against them; may they go down alive  
> into Sheol!" (Psalm 55:16a NJPS).
>
> Because the opening statement is part of the text of the Psalms, it  
> is called verse 1 in Jewish Bibles. So this verse is vs. 15 in Xian  
> Bibles.
>
> The Jewish Study Bible has this note: 16: The phrase "to go down  
> alive into Sheol," also used in Num. 16:33, expresses sudden death.
>
> Is this the kind of imprecatory prayer they utter in Christ Church?  
> I have a feeling I have been the object of this kind of prayer for  
> a number of years. And you do know where and what Sheol is, don't  
> you, Doug? That's where we all go, both good and evil, when we die.  
> See Eccles. 3:17-21. The last verse is a rhetorical question; the  
> answer is No. And don't forget that "those who go down to Sheol do  
> not come up" (Job 7:9). So be careful what you pray for, because  
> you might get there sooner than you think.
>
> Ralph
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2007, at 1:04 PM, heirdoug at netscape.net wrote:
>
>> Chas,
>>
>> His speech was smoother than butter, But his heart was war;
>> His words were softer than oil, Yet they were drawn swords. Ps 55:21

>> Heirdoug