[Vision2020] vision 2020 proposal

Fri Feb 23 17:07:18 PST 2007

Ted suggests:

"If that's the case, Debbie is not trying to keep CC discussion off 
Vision2020, but only attempting to modify the frequency and nature of the 
discussions on this issue, especially coming from a few subscribers who 
focus often on CC."

So does that mean we all get to submit subjects that we find objectionable 
and would not like to see here anymore or in reduced amounts?  'Cause if 
that's open to all of us, I do believe there are several subjects to be 
nominated for such a "point-out".

J  :]

>From: "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com>
>To: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] vision 2020 proposal
>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:54:41 -0800
>
>Matt et. al.
>
>Thanks for pointing out my error.  I did not word that perfectly...
>
>I understand Debbie did not mean that Wayne, et. al. had to unsubscribe 
>from
>Vision2020 and stop posting anything.  But when you tell a group of people,
>and we are talking about a large group who have posted numerous times about
>Christ Church related issues, that this topic should be taken off the
>Vision2020 list, to quote my previous post in this thread, "because she 
>does
>not like the subject they wish to discuss," I suggested this "might have a
>chilling effect on the openness of the list."
>
>Perhaps I still do not understand Debbie's intentions.
>
>Perhaps Debbie was focused not on stopping all Christ Church related
>discussion on Vision2020, but rather the frequency and nature of the CC
>related posts from Wayne, J. Ford, and maybe some others...
>
>If that's the case, Debbie is not trying to keep CC discussion off
>Vision2020, but only attempting to modify the frequency and nature of the
>discussions on this issue, especially coming from a few subscribers who
>focus often on CC.
>
>Ted Moffett
>
>
>On 2/23/07, Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Ted,
>>
>>Debbie didn't ask for others to get off the list, but rather to take one
>>opinion( CC monopolized church topic) and start their own blog, or use
>>ones
>>that excist. J and others are entitled to their opinions. Just as it is
>>all
>>of ours to ask them to talk about something else.
>>
>>Matt
>>
>>
>> >From: "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com>
>> >To: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>> >CC: deco at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] vision 2020 proposal
>> >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:34:52 -0800
>> >
>> >Hi Matt-
>> >
>> >One person's agenda driven bias is another person's holy moral cause...
>> >
>> >Debbie can express her wish that others create their own separate forum
>>for
>> >Christ Church related discussion... After all, her rights to free speech
>> >are
>> >the same as those who obsess (according to some) on Christ Church on
>> >Vision2020.
>> >
>> >But telling others to get off the list because she does not like the
>> >subject
>> >they wish to discuss might have a chilling effect on the openness of the
>> >list...
>> >
>> >That's basically what I meant...
>> >
>> >Occasional sports posts have peppered Vision2020 for years... The
>>Mariners
>> >seem a popular topic, though what do they have to do with local Moscow
>> >issues?
>> >
>> >I agree though that discussion of sports teams in other areas of the USA
>>(U
>> >of I and MSD sports appear a valid local topic) should not dominate
>> >Vision2020.  Gonzaga basketball might be an exception, given how close
>>they
>> >are to Moscow...And I happen to be a basketball fan... My pet holy moral
>> >cause!
>> >
>> >Ted Moffett
>> >
>> >
>> >On 2/22/07, Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Ted,
>> >>
>> >>I would agree that a unmoderated list is the only way to go.
>> >>
>> >>Debbie is not asking for that, and neither am I. What we need is
>>educated
>> >>and thoughtful topics, not agenda driven bias, which has controlled the
>> >>blog
>> >>for some time now. She respectfully asked to take Js' and Waynes'
>>oponion
>> >>somewhere else. Along with anything that controlls the blog. They is so
>> >>much
>> >>more we can talk about, instead its an obsession with some.
>> >>
>> >>I too could talk about topics for hours, such as the Bears dominance 
>>for
>> >>the
>> >>next 20 years. How they have more hall of famers and had the best team
>> >>ever(85 Bears). That will lead to little though. It would take away 
>>from
>> >>the
>> >>potential this forum has. I respectfully decline to do so, along with
>> >>trying
>> >>to limit my posts to 3 times a day.
>> >>
>> >>Matt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >From: "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com>
>> >> >To: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>> >> >CC: Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> >> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] vision 2020 proposal
>> >> >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:10:59 -0800
>> >> >
>> >> >Wayne et. al.
>> >> >
>> >> >I disagree with much of the content on Vision2020, even some of
>>Wayne's
>> >> >posts, but I agree with him totally on the value of an unmoderated
>>forum
>> >> >such as this; and that for those who don't value discussions about
>> >>religion
>> >> >or Christ Church, they can ignore or delete those posts.
>> >> >
>> >> >I usually do not find ignoring subjects I have no interest in or find
>> >> >objectionable a problem when I read or participate on Vision2020.
>> >> >
>> >> >Debbie's complaints no doubt express the views of many regarding the
>> >> >dominance of Christ Church issues that sometimes can be found on this
>> >>list
>> >> >serve.  But many others think that these discussions are important
>> >>Moscow
>> >> >issues, as Wayne argues, which should be an important focus of
>> >>discussion
>> >> >for very good reasons.
>> >> >
>> >> >Why should Debbie's slant on the proper subject content for 
>>Vision2020
>> >> >control the list?  Some people have trouble with freedom of speech, 
>>it
>> >> >appears.
>> >> >
>> >> >Ted Moffett
>> >> >
>> >> >
>>
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