[Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way and other NSA Issues
Matt Decker
mattd2107 at hotmail.com
Wed Feb 14 14:15:01 PST 2007
J,
Sure J, I might actually believe the never ending garbage that comes out of
your mouth, if for once you said something nice or show what benefits they
can and have brought to this community. For example: everytime they buy
something from this community the dollar stays here. Whether its businesses
ran by other church members or if its my business, which I have at least 4
members that have purchased sprinklers from be. I in turn spend by money
locally thus keeping the money here. Some taxes stay here but more
importantly profits stay here.
Matt
>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way and other NSA Issues
>Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:56:43 -0800
>
>
>No, just out of the CBD since it is NOT a business nor is it what the
>Council in the past much less the one now, had in mind when the CBD was
>first developed. There are plenty of "school zone areas" that it could
>move to. The only reason NSA doesn't move is because they have sunk their
>heels in and are throwing a hissy fit - "You can't make me!".
>
>They want to stay in Moscow or even Latah County - GREAT. But not in the
>CBD where they are taking up valuable taxable realestate. Simple.
>
>
>J :]
>
>
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>
>
>>From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>>To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way and other NSA Issues
>>Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:04:39 -0800
>>
>>J,
>>
>>"Get the "school" out of the CBD whose students take up valuable parking
>>>spaces, that doesn't pay taxes nor contribute to the overall economic
>>>health
>>>of the CBD except and ONLY when their church's business' can not provide
>>>what they are looking for!"
>>
>>You mean like outside of Moscow or even Latah county. That would solve the
>>problem right.
>>
>>Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: [Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way and other NSA Issues
>>>Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:03:05 -0800
>>>
>>>Get the "school" out of the CBD whose students take up valuable parking
>>>spaces, that doesn't pay taxes nor contribute to the overall economic
>>>health
>>>of the CBD except and ONLY when their church's business' can not provide
>>>what they are looking for!
>>>
>>>BTW, is anyone outside of Atwood aware of the fact that Idaho Graduate
>>>Schools will NOT accept NSA's degree or GRE test scores because the
>>>"school"
>>>is NOT regionally accredited? It only has accreditation from an
>>>organization that supports its beliefs and educational goals, which is
>>>admittedly focused and very narrow
>>>.
>>>
>>>As reported in the Lewiston Trib:
>>>
>>>"A student who scored perfect marks on a top graduate school admittance
>>>exam
>>>probably can't go to an Idaho university, the president of a Christian
>>>college in Moscow told the House Education Committee Monday.
>>>
>>>His school's 200 students contribute to the community as they pursue
>>>"classical Christian" studies, said Roy Atwood, president of New Saint
>>>Andrews College.
>>>
>>>Those bright students also score among the top 3 percent in ACT and SAT
>>>college entrance exams. But once the students get a Saint Andrews
>>>diploma,
>>>Idaho universities won't take them into graduate programs because Saint
>>>Andrews is not regionally accredited.
>>>
>>>"The students are great assets to us while they are here and they'd be an
>>>asset if they stayed longer," Atwood said.
>>>
>>>One student scored perfect 800s on the three major sections of the
>>>Graduate
>>>Record Examination, a standardized test commonly used for admittance into
>>>English-speaking graduate programs. That student probably will not stay
>>>in
>>>Idaho even if he wants to, Atwood said.
>>>
>>>"Our senior with the perfect GRE score could go anywhere in the world,
>>>but
>>>... our state's public universities won't consider their applications
>>>because we are nationally accredited," Atwood said.
>>>
>>>The Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools accredits
>>>Saint Andrews on a national level. But regional accreditation is nearly
>>>impossible for religious institutions because of "increasing
>>>secularization"
>>>of "hostile" accrediting bodies, Atwood told the Lewiston Tribune.
>>>
>>>For instance, Catholic universities have fallen short of regional
>>>accreditation standards because of the traditional focus on educating men
>>>for positions of church leadership, Atwood said.
>>>
>>>"It really is part of the culture wars," Atwood said.
>>>
>>>Last year, the Idaho State Board of Education considered requiring
>>>regional
>>>accreditation for the state's religious schools. The state board dropped
>>>the
>>>idea, which would have been disastrous for Saint Andrews, Atwood said.
>>>For
>>>instance, the regional bodies might require standards that espouse
>>>feminist
>>>ideals, a philosophy rejected by Saint Andrews officials, he said.
>>>
>>>"Those are the pressures coming to bear on faith-based organizations,"
>>>Atwood said.
>>>
>>>Atwood gave his brief presentation about his college at the invitation of
>>>Rep. Tom Trail, R-Moscow. Atwood was seeking no state assistance. Rather,
>>>the college keeps a fair distance from government -- even steering clear
>>>of
>>>federal grant and loan programs. The college has been the center of
>>>lively
>>>community debate because of controversy surrounding the beliefs of the
>>>school's founders."
>>>
>>>
>>>J :]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>>> >To: <pcook818 at adelphia.net>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way
>>> >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:53:24 -0800
>>> >
>>> >Mr. Cook,
>>> >
>>> >Please don't get me wrong, I do think that the survey will objectively
>>> >measure the communities perception of the parking problem. I just don't
>>> >think that perceptions are as important as realities. I also think that
>>> >it's a mistake for the city to devote too many resources to a dimly
>>> >perceived "subjective and political" problem it can't do much to
>>>resolve
>>> >anyway. The undeniable facts of the matter are that there are x number
>>>of
>>> >business's, y no. of parking spaces, and z no. of potential shoppers.
>>> >Realistically, which of those variables can or should the city modify?
>>> >
>>> >g
>>> >----- Original Message -----
>>> >From: "Philip Cook" <pcook818 at adelphia.net>
>>> >To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> >Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:54 AM
>>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > Mr. Crabtree,
>>> > >
>>> > > You are correct that two additional surveys focusing on customers
>>>and
>>> >employees are planned.
>>> > >
>>> > > I disagree with your and Mr. Deco's assertions that the survey nor
>>>the
>>> >surveyors are objective.
>>> > >
>>> > > You are correct that the survey is designed to measure perceptions,
>>>but
>>> >it is designed to measure them objectively. The measurement of
>>>perceptions
>>> >of downtown parking problems is the goal of the survey. The data
>>>gathered
>>> >by this survey and the others, along with engineering data, will help
>>> >inform the political discussions about management of downtown parking.
>>> > >
>>> > > Yes, I serve on the Transportation Commission, but I also spent much
>>>of
>>> >my graduate academic training and early career designing, implementing,
>>>and
>>> >reporting the results of surveys. I have observed and participated in
>>>the
>>> >design of this survey and have seen nothing that leads me to the
>>>conclusion
>>> >that it will not be objective. I will let you know if something changes
>>> >that assessment. Please let me know if you have evidence otherwise,
>>>too.
>>> > >
>>> > > The time where objectivity is always questionable, and indeed
>>> >impossible, is in the interpretation of (objectively gathered) data and
>>> >recommendations for changes based on the results. Each of us,
>>>regardless of
>>> >training, political persuasion, etc., brings our own experiences,
>>>beliefs,
>>> >and biases to the table when we interpret results and talk about
>>>possible
>>> >policy alternatives. Questions of what we should do are always
>>>political
>>> >and subjective; science can only inform the discussion about possible
>>> >outcomes.
>>> > >
>>> > > Your suggestion about a civil engineering project is illustrative.
>>> >Engineering data is helpful, but insufficient by itself. Let's say an
>>> >engineering study concludes that "85% of all car drivers arriving
>>>downtown
>>> >between 9:00am and 10:00am found a vacant parking spot within 150 feet
>>>of
>>> >their desired destination within 30 seconds of beginning their search
>>>for a
>>> >spot." Objective data, yes. But so what? Is the situation good or bad?
>>>Do
>>> >customers find that situation acceptable or not? Do business owners?
>>>Are
>>> >there any management actions the City should take to change the
>>>situation?
>>> >These are all perception-based questions, and the answers about what
>>>should
>>> >be done are subjective and political.
>>> > >
>>> > > As for myself, I'm looking forward to having at least some
>>>objective,
>>> >systematically-gathered data about downtown parking to inform the
>>> >community's discussions, rather than relying on a hodge-podge
>>>collection of
>>> >personal anecdotes.
>>> > >
>>> > > Philip Cook
>>> > >
>>> > >> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:47:00 -0800
>>> > >> From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>>> > >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way
>>> > >
>>> > >> Gary writes:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> " A better approach might be to have an independent third party
>>>obtain
>>> >some objective data with regard to the parking situation."
>>> > >>
>>> > >> That would be a good first step. Given that data then an unbiased
>>> >professional survey designer could then design a survey with unloaded
>>> >questions, carefully and fairly select the sample space, and then
>>>proceed
>>> >to determine public and business attitudes/beliefs. Perhaps the UI or
>>>WSU
>>> >math departments could make this a carefully supervised graduate
>>>statistics
>>> >student project.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Assuming that even if MacDonald and Steed have any enthusiastic
>>> >supporters, they would probably concede that neither is a qualified
>>>survey
>>> >designer/taker. We have just discussed a poorly constructed survey by
>>>Fox
>>> >News. Let's not waste money on another questionable effort which will
>>> >satisfy no one.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Though Gary and I do not have much in common in our world views, I
>>> >think we both agree that facts are needed in the discussion of the
>>>parking
>>> >issue, and I hope that we agree that the different parties to the
>>>dispute,
>>> >especially the city, are not likely to generate unquestionable data
>>> >themselves.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> W.
>>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> > >> From: g. crabtree
>>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:20 AM
>>> > >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> My understanding is that there will be three surveys done. The
>>>first
>>> >for business owners. The second for employees, and the third for
>>>customers.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> What I see as the glaring problem with this approach is that a
>>>survey
>>> >will only net you answers to what people perceive the problem to be. A
>>> >better approach might be to have an independent third party obtain some
>>> >objective data with regard to the parking situation. Perhaps quietly
>>>turn a
>>> >few civil engineering seniors loose on the project?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> g
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