[Vision2020] [CORRECTED LINK] RE: Pastor Wilson is as slippery as ever

Thu Feb 1 17:54:02 PST 2007

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Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

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-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of J Ford
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:52 PM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pastor Wilson is as slippery as ever

Questions:

How is someone is supposed to take what may have been written in regards to 
abortion in the CA several years BEFORE the "slavery" book and correlate it 
to the book's extensively covered subject of slavery?  Just how does Wilson,

Wilkins, the kirkers, etc. expect ANY one to say "Oh, I get it!  This isn't 
about slavery at all!  It's a book about Paul Hill and his anti-abortion 
radical stand and these guys are saying they don't want another "bloody war"

over the abortion issue, to tear this country apart."  HOW DO WE DO THIS?  
And on what pages, exactly, is this even addressed remotely, Doug, in that 
first book?  Not to mention, what "section of the new book" is it covered?  
Does "section" mean paragraph, a couple of pages or a whole chapter?  WHERE 
in "Black and Tan" is it covered?  And, why was it NOT in the first book, IF

it is in the second one?

And, how is it that property owners being the only legal voters fits into 
that new scenario of Wilson's?  Just how do we say "Ok, this IS about 
anti-abortion issues" when he/Wilkins/whomever, writes that ONLY property 
owners should vote and NOW says students should not vote because, he 
assumes, they don't own property?  Just how in all that is green is ANY one 
supposed to make that leap?

There were MANY flaws in his rantings...you'll have to listen to it yourself

and get it from the ass' mouth yourself, but the bottom line is - Wilson and

his crew have taken 2 years or more to come up with just one more excuse as 
to why he wrote the book, to justify the content of the book and never ONCE 
apologize for the book.

This, from an non-ordained, uneducated (pastorally) and untrained 
(psychologically) non-pastor who wants your dollars to continue to support 
his chosen life-style.

J  :]

>From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at roadrunner.com>
>To: <nickgier at adelphia.net>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pastor Wilson is as slippery as ever
>Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:16:31 -0800
>
>Hi Nick & Other Visionaries,
>
>I just want to add that for me, the most *fascinating* part of the evening
>was the new spin -- or revisionist history -- Doug Wilson is now putting on
>his heavily plagiarized and unspeakably offensive _Southern Slavery As It
>Was_.
>
>First, let's remember what Wilson repeatedly told our community -- and too
>many reporters to count -- was his purpose in writing (and I use the word
>loosely) SSAIW.
>
>"Wilson has said the booklet was not intended to defend slavery but to
>defend the Bible and to place slavery in a historical context."
>Source:  "UI, WSU slam slavery booklet" by Adam Wilson, Lewiston Tribune,
>2003-11-14, Page: 5A.
>
>"Wilson, pastor of Moscow's Christ Church, said he did not co-write the 
>book
>to defend slavery.  His intention was to defend the Bible. . . . Wilson 
>said
>his book about Southern slavery was carefully put together so it would not
>be perceived as a racist publication.  He had two thoughts in mind when he
>decided to take on the subject of slavery.  The first was to defend the
>Bible. The second was to present a historically accurate picture of slavery
>as it existed in the South prior to the Civil War."
>Source:  "Does book defend slavery or the bible?" by Alexis Bacharach,
>Lewiston Tribune, 2003-10-23, Page: 1A.
>
>All of that has magically changed now!  The REAL purpose, you see, was to
>reach out to those Evangelical Christians who were inclined to think that
>murderer Paul Hill's methods were a correct way to fight the pro-choice
>majority of our county.
>
>(At least, that was my understanding of the story Wilson was trying to sell
>last night -- please feel free to correct me if you understood him
>differently.)
>
>You could have knocked me over with a feather.
>
>The question that immediately came to my mind was:  was he lying to us then
>or is he lying to us now???
>
>And, that, of course, is the crux of Wilson's history of problems in our
>community, IMHO:  the truth is an elusive and ever-shifting thing with him.
>His personal truth constantly shifts to whatever is personally expedient 
>for
>him at any given moment.
>
>I believe that KRFP, Radio Free Moscow, made an audio recording of last
>night's forum, so I hope it will be available soon from their Web site:
>http://www.radiofreemoscow.com/
>
>If and when the audio becomes available, I cannot strongly enough urge 
>those
>interested in gaining a better understanding of Wilson's role in the
>polarization of our community to please listen to Wilson's own words and
>hype.  Sift through his rhetoric and compare the story he's trying to sell
>us now to the story he worked so hard to sell us back in 2003 & 2004.
>
>I also found it interesting that Wilson spent more than a little energy 
>last
>night trying to distance SSAIW co-author and League of the South founding
>board member Steve Wilkins from the League of the South  :-)
>
>Oh -- one more thing I found interesting:  the young man who opened the
>forum made a point of expressing the expectation that the behavior of those
>participating would be civil, professional, and polite.  Unfortunately, 
>some
>of Wilson's supporters have adopted the same "I'm special and the rules
>don't apply to me" notion that Wilson himself holds -- they thought it
>perfectly acceptable to loudly hector -- even yelling out at -- those who
>had been given the microphone to ask questions.  Clearly not one of the
>Kirk's shining moments in their disingenuous "call for a return to
>civility."  As is par for the course, those present from other sides of the
>issues had no problems remaining respectful and polite.
>
>
>JMHO,
>Saundra Lund
>Moscow, ID
>
>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
>nothing.
>- Edmund Burke
>
>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.
>Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum
>without the express written permission of the author.*****
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of nickgier at adelphia.net
>Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:55 PM
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] Pastor Wilson is as slippery as ever
>
>Greetings:
>
>I just returned from Wilson's response to the "My Town" documentary.  There
>was no panel as promised, bu just Da Man talkin'.  I may have something 
>else
>to say about the evening, but I will now limit my post to two points.
>
>First, Wilson now disassociates his Paleo-Confederacy from anything having
>to do with the historical Southern Confederacy.  He now says it is simply
>the original American republic with Senators being appointed by the states.
>
>He now also disagrees with the Founding Fathers about saying that only
>propertied males could vote.  The New Doug Wilson now says that he never
>said that women could not vote.  (He would now only exempt students from
>voting because they do not own property!) In the excerpt below and in "My
>Town" he of course says something very different.
>
>Second, again Wilson claimed that at no time did any of his institutions
>display the Confederate Flag or portraits of Robert E. Lee.
>
>But our own Wayne Fox has posted a Lee portrait hanging in a Logos School
>Room several times on this list (please do it again), and a visiting
>Calvinist pastor wrote to the Daily News testifying that the Confederate
>flag was hanging in Wilson's office when he once visited.
>
>And then there is Wilson's own confession in a story in the Spokesman
>Review, which I've excerpted below.
>
>I've worked with reporter Shawn Vestal before on faculty union issues and 
>he
>is top notch.  I called him and asked him if this is what Wilson said, and
>he was offended that he would ask him such a question.  "Of course Wilson
>said this; otherwise I would not have written it!"
>
>Old-school Controversy surrounds New Saint Andrews College
>
>Shawn Vestal
>Staff writer for the Spokesman Review
>October 22, 2006
>
>Wilson echoed that comment but said he might be fairly described as
>"paleo-confederate" - favoring many ideas of the Southern confederacy, such
>as agrarian living, opposition to a strong central government, voting based
>on property ownership and a focus on traditional family and community, but
>not slavery. . . .
>
>He acknowledges that portraits of Lee and Confederate flags have adorned
>office and school walls at times and says that he believes in some - but 
>not
>all - of the tenets on which the Southern confederacy was built: a society
>centered around God and belief, a simple farming life as opposed to a 
>hectic
>modern one, and an emphasis on traditional family and community. . . .
>
>Nick Gier, Proud Intolerista
>Intolerance is a virtue when one is intolerant of dishonesty, deception,
>evasion, bigotry, and bad manners.
>
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