[Vision2020] (Hillary is a Shoe In) speaking of politics....
Sunil Ramalingam
sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Sat Aug 25 13:17:07 PDT 2007
Paul,
If you read Greg Palast on the issue of vote suppression, you may be asking
"How many votes will be counted?" instead.
Sunil
>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (Hillary is a Shoe In) speaking of politics....
>Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:53:09 -0700
>
>I agree that he doesn't really have a shot in hell in this corporatized,
>media-controlled, soundbite civilization we live in. I just keep hoping
>that the Internet will show its true promise as a true democratic tool.
>One day, so goes my fantasy, there will be a lot of corporate types
>scrambling to find out why Money, Media, and Momentum failed them so
>utterly. What it all comes down to is: how many people will actually
>vote? A true wave of "underground" sentiment could really affect the
>numbers (assuming that Diebold isn't running the election).
>
>I agree with your thoughts on Ron Pauls sincerity and honesty. It's
>refreshing, I just hope that "the people" will tell their corporate
>masters to go to hell and actually start caring about things again.
>
>Paul
>
>Donovan Arnold wrote:
> > Paul,
> >
> > Ron Paul is an honest guy, and thus will never be President. If wide
> > Internet support and winning debates was the indication of winning the
> > presidency, Howard Dean would be President and Dennis Kucinich would
> > be Vice President today. George W. Bush never won a single
> > Presidential Debate yet he won two terms, and few and far between on
> > the net voice support for his tenure, how do you explain that using
> > your measure of Internet support and debate winning as the path to the
> > White House?
> >
> > There are three things that indicate who the winners are going to be,
> > Money, Media, and Momentum. Only a few candidates have all three;
> >
> > Hillary Clinton
> > Barrack Obama
> > Mitt Romney
> > Fred Thompson
> > Mike Huckabee
> >
> > Of those, only realistically, two could win from each nomination.
> > Democratic nomination is either going to Clinton, Obama, or Gore,
> > because if Clinton or Obama don't make it, Gore will jump in and make
> > a go of it. McCain and Rudy are at the top now, but rapidly sinking
> > while Thompson and Romney are rising.
> >
> > Mike Huckabee doesn't believe in evolution, so no way he could be
> > President, sorry, maybe 8 years ago, but not today.
> >
> > Ron Paul, he isn't a serious candidate, but he will probably still be
> > in the race up until the end, like Dennis Kucinich. They are there for
> > reasons other than actually winning the nomination. Jeb Bush will get
> > the nomination before Ron Paul and some of these other no name
> > candidates with little money and recognition.
> >
> > I like Ron Paul, he is making a valuable contribution to his country,
> > talking about real issues, and forcing the viable candidates to answer
> > questions and making promises about what they would do about
> > situations if elected. I think it is great you would cast your vote
> > for a noble, intelligent, and honest man who actually cares about the
> > country, but he will not get the nomination, he isn't even a real
> > Republican, he is a Libertarian, and use to run as a Libertarian, only
> > recently did he switch to get more attention and a seat in Congress
> > with some teeth.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Donovan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > */Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
> >
> > I've been led to believe that Ron Paul has a large underground
> > audience
> > on the net; it would be foolish of the other candidates to discount
> > him. He is in the curious position of having a very strong, if not
> > the
> > strongest, popularity on the internet, but never gets higher than
> > 3% on
> > gallup polls. So, either the internet is a much smaller beast than
>it
> > would first appear, or the various polls are burying their heads
> > in the
> > sand.
> >
> > According to Wikipedia, he has won three of the four Republican
> > presidential debates based on the results of the online polls of the
> > sponsors that held them. His name as a search term has scored higher
> > than the other candidates online based on the results of a few
> > traffic
> > analysis companies. He is viewed the most on YouTube, and has the
> > largest number of subscriptions.
> >
> > Although I can't agree with everything he stands for (withdrawing
> > from
> > the UN and Nato comes to mind), I am solidly behind him based on his
> > voting record on the issues that this current government has foisted
> > upon us, such as the Patriot Act and the Iraq War.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > Donovan Arnold wrote:
> > > Keely writes,
> > >
> > > "I believe that Thompson's lymphoma is in remission; if that's
> > true,
> > > he doesn't 'have cancer'."
> > >
> > > But the truth is;
> > >
> > > "Patients with follicular lymphoma are generally not considered
> > cured.
> > > Instead, they are categorized as in ongoing complete remission.
> > > Relapses occur steadily over time. *_Relapse rates are estimated
> > to be
> > > 33%, 66%, and 100% for follicular lymphoma's_* Grades I, II, and
> > III
> > > respectively." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Hodgkin_lymphoma
> > >
> > > Anyone want to nominate a President who has a 33-100% chance of
> > dying
> > > in office before we take into account any other potential health
> > > problems? Remember Paul Tsongas, he said he was in remission
> > too, he
> > > had the same illness, and he died in 1997 from Non-Hodgkin's
> > lymphoma,
> > > which many times doesn't show any symptoms.
> > >
> > > Giuliani isn't a Republican, he is Pro-choice, Pro-gay marriage,
> > > Anti-gun, Pro-taxes, Pro-big government. There is no way the hard
> > > leaning right would nominate a Pro-life, Anti-Gun, Pro-big
> > government
> > > nominee. McCain is also done for his pro- illegal immigration
> > bill and
> > > finance reforms. McCain would also be over 80 at the end of second
> > > term in January, 2017.
> > >
> > > That only leaves Thompson, with incurable cancer, and Mitt
> > Romney as
> > > candidates with enough money and recognition for a fighting chance
> > > against Hillary.
> > >
> > > I think Hillary will have a hard time getting a majority vote,
> > but she
> > > doesn't need it. She only needs to get more electoral votes than
> > her
> > > Republican opponent, which at this point will be Mitt Romney,
> > former
> > > Governor of Massachusetts.
> > >
> > > The Democratic Nominee, whomever that many be, Richardson,
>Edwards,
> > > Obama, or Clinton, already have a five to ten point lead in enough
> > > states to secure 250 electoral votes. They only need 20 more to
> > win,
> > > like Florida, or Ohio. If Bloomberg enters the race, that peels
> > > another 4-8 points off the popular vote for the Republican
> > nominee in
> > > many key states.
> > >
> > > Even if Hillary fails to achieve a pularity (more votes than the
> > other
> > > two) of popular votes, which she doesn't need, in the three way
> > > election, what are Republicans going to say, after all, Bush was
> > > beaten in the popular vote in the 2000 election and still took
> > the oath.
> > >
> > > Hillary is unlikely to lose the Democratic nomination because she
> > > already has close to 50% of the primary vote. She is also very
> > likely
> > > to get at least 270 electoral votes in a three way race over any
>of
> > > the current candidates for President. The total popular vote
> > doesn't
> > > matter in the actually election (do the electoral math). If
> > Hillary is
> > > elected, which I think she will at this point, she is likely to be
> > > very effective due to her experience and having a Democratic
>Senate
> > > and Congress backing her.
> > >
> > > I think the American Population will be very surprised at how
> > > conservative many of her decisions will be as President. She
> > will not
> > > immediately withdraw troops. She will not enact anti-gun
> > legislation,
> > > and she will not grant same-sex marriage. I think she will be very
> > > much in the center, politically, and very competent in her
> > performance.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Donovan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > */lfalen /* wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree with you about Hillary, but not about Giuliani. I think
> > > that Thompson has a chance. Romney could also win, but has some
> > > problems from my point of view.
> > >
> > >
> > > Roger
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: keely emerinemix kjajmix1 at msn.com
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:19:37 -0700
> > > To: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, Tom
> > > Hansenthansen at moscow.com, "'Bev Bafus'" bevbafus at verizon.net,
> > > vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] speaking of politics....
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I believe that Thompson's lymphoma is in remission; if that's
> > > true, he doesn't "have cancer."
> > > >
> > > > And I think Giuliani might well be the only Republican who can
> > > defeat the Democrats, particularly if we nominate Hillary. She
> > > won't win. But Obama, Richardson, or Edwards could. I hope my
> > > party listens.
> > > >
> > > > keely
> > > >
> > > > "Patriarchy and its abuses, including the alienation of woman
> > > and man from each other, resulted from the material demands of
> > > life outside of the Creator's abundance, a state God never
> > > intended human beings to experience in the first place ...
> > > Redemption means turning over the order of things in the fallen
> > > world."
> > > > -- Dr. Carrie Miles
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:48:48 -0700
> > > > From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> > > > To: thansen at moscow.com; bevbafus at verizon.net;
> > vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] speaking of politics....
> > > >
> > > > "By Idaho standards Rudy Giuliani IS a Democrat. He is
> > > pro-choice, supports same-sex marriage, and actively supports
> > > public education."--T. Hansen
> > > > He is also pro-taxes, pro big government, anti-second amendment,
> > > and has three wives. If this guy gets the Republicans nomination
> > > the Democrats win before the general election. John McCain is a no
> > > win either. That only leaves Thompson and Romney, and Thompson has
> > > cancer. Humm, wonder who the nominee is going to be? Best, Donovan
> > > > Tom
> > > > Hansen wrote: By Idaho standards Rudy Giuliani IS a Democrat. He
> > > is pro-choice, supports same-sex marriage, and actively supports
> > > public education. My guess is that New York and California are the
> > > only states in the union where he could register Republican. Seeya
> > > round town, Moscow.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Hansen
> > > > Moscow, Idaho
> > > >
> > > > "People who ridicule others while hiding behind anonymous
> > > monikers in chat-room forums are neither brave nor clever."
> > > >
> > > > - Latah County Sheriff Wayne Rausch (August 21, 2007) From:
> > > vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> > > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Bev Bafus
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:11
> > > > PM
> > > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > Subject: [Vision2020] speaking of politics.... which we weren't,
> > > but I just had to share this. My son met and chatted with Rudy
> > > Giuliani
> > > > today at the Coeur d'Alene Resort. My son is a valet there.
> > > Mayor Giuliani introduced himself to my son, shook hands, and
> > > chatted for a few minutes. Pretty heady stuff for a
> > > > twenty-year-old. He was impressed, even though he leans
> > > Democratic... He didn't get to valet park the huge Escalade,
> > > though... Secret Service took care of that. Bev Bafus
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