[Vision2020] Wheaton Story in paper
g. crabtree
jampot at adelphia.net
Thu Apr 5 12:27:44 PDT 2007
Ms. Lund, why tip toe around the issue? Who are you referring to and what
were the circumstances surrounding the incident? Also, are you suggesting
that an isolated incident of what, from your limited perspective, might seem
to be rudeness should disqualify one from ever serving on a board,
commission, or council? Considering the fact that the city makes assistive
hearing devices available to anyone who might require one at meetings of the
kind you mention, I've got to question who was more rude. The councilperson
or the gaffer demanding the commission members accommodate his desires
instead of simply dealing with the problem in a more appropriate manner.
g
----- Original Message -----
From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at roadrunner.com>
To: "'lfalen'" <lfalen at turbonet.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wheaton Story in paper
Perhaps one or the other can replace the current Council member who, when
serving on a commission, thought those in the audience didn't need to hear
what was being discussed in the public meeting by the commission members and
who, in fact, was INCREDIBLY RUDE to an elderly man who requested the board
members speak up so they could be heard.
It was my opinion that had more Moscow citizens been at that meeting -- or
if videos of those meetings were available or had that meeting been covered
by the press (assuming we had a real newspaper, which we don't appear to
have) -- that particular current Council member never would have been
elected. It was one of the more shameful displays I've ever seen in a
public meeting :-(((
Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID
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nothing.
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of lfalen
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:04 AM
To: g. crabtree; Matt Decker; privatejf32 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wheaton Story in paper
Decker and Crabtree for City Council
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "g. crabtree" jampot at adelphia.net
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 05:53:23 -0700
To: "Matt Decker" mattd2107 at hotmail.com, privatejf32 at hotmail.com,
vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wheaton Story in paper
> Matt is very much correct on this one. Our current city council has made
> nothing but bad decisions ever since it came into power. Our Mayor is more
> interested in surrounding herself with an fawning group of yes men than
> doing what it takes to make Moscow grow and prosper.
>
> I challenge "J. Ford" to tell the rest of us on this list what it might
have
> been that would make giving the boot to a community minded volunteer with
> over 15 years of experience in what was often a thankless job a
ppropriate.
> Was it the fact that he would occasionally limit statements before the
board
> to a prescribed time limit? Our illustrious mayor does that at every
council
> meeting. I fail to see how it becomes an issue worthy of removal in
> Wheaton's case.
>
> While you're at it, how about a few examples of the BOA benefiting a few
> special interests to the detriment of the rest of the town. Just exactly
> what segment of the community has been neglected by previous decisions? A
> few concrete examples as opposed to the usual vague blather would be
> extremely helpful.
>
> Anybody want to bet that the only note of what should be a symphony (to
hear
> her tell it) will be sung to the tune of "NSA/CC/Doug Wilson is a rat
> bastard doo dah, doo dah. Does nothing right, does all things wrong, oh
the
> doo dah day?
>
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> To: <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wheaton Story in paper
>
>
> > J,
> >
> > I highly doubt the "whole" town wants a man of 15 years to be fired.
> >
> > Plaskon and Wheaton being asked to leave, is highly suspicious and
> > deserves
> > an answer. As far as I know, or have heard "she" has yet to tell why
"she"
> > wanted John to leave, along with Joel.
> >
> > Whats next? Lambert or Webber? Anybody that wants to start a
development?
> >
> > The problem is we need a council that is willing to stand by the rules,
> > enforcing those principles entrusted onto us, but also installing an
> > agenda
> > that thrives on a growth rich conservation based city/county. Problems
> > which
> > have caused conflict throughout the city for years.
> >
> > This council, driven by Chaney, has done nothing for this town. Time for
a
> > change.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wheaton Story in paper
> >>Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:42:36 -0700
> >>
> >>
> >>Joel WAS suggested to resign. Same diff, I suppose.
> >>
> >>Anyway, for years people have been saying it was time for him to go.
The
> >>fact that his decisions are being looked at and in some cases reversed
or
> >>canceled, I'd say others within City Hall feel the same way.
> >>
> >>Do I like Nancy? Nope - but at least she's trying to do what is best
for
> >>the WHOLE town, not just a few who have had their hands in the till for
> >>far
> >>too long. Like everything else, time will tell as to whether or not her
> >>decisions and their decisions worked out for the best or not.
> >>
> >>The end.
> >>
> >>
> >>J :]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> >>>To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wheaton Story in paper
> >>>Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:27:06 -0700
> >>>
> >>>J,
> >>>
> >>>How about Joel Plaskon? Was it his time to go too? I'll bet you'll say
> >>>yes(oh ya he resigned most likely asked too).
> >>>
> >>>J It's time you set the NSA aside, see that these appointed people made
> >>>decisions based upon what they thought best for moscow, and move the
F*&^
> >>>on.
> >>>
> >>>Face it J and others, Nancy is doing what she feels is best for the
Cow,
> >>>but
> >>>that best is going to be the down fall of this town.
> >>>
> >>>Hey hey ho ho Nancy Chaney has got to go
> >>>
> >>>Matt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> >From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >>> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wheaton Story in paper
> >>> >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:00:14 -0700
> >>> >
> >>> >Ah, yes....but is that enough to recommend him?! No. Just because
> >>>someone
> >>> >serves on a city committee, does not mean he does so fairly, highly,
or
> >>> >even
> >>> >remotely in a good way.
> >>> >
> >>> >Sorry, but it was his time to go.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >J :]
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > >From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> >>> > >To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wheaton Story in paper
> >>> > >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:36:06 -0700
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >J,
> >>> > >
> >>> > >Sounds like to me, another act by our mayor to make Moscow a no
> >>> > >growth(sorry
> >>> > >smart growth), no hick liven, no blue collor wearin, we respect all
> >>>lives
> >>> > >except ones that go against our agenda town. Agree with Wheaton or
> >>>not,
> >>> >but
> >>> > >he served the town for fifteen years. At least give him that.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >Matt
> >>> > >
> >>> > > >From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >>> > > >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>> > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wheaton Story in paper
> >>> > > >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:32:19 -0700
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >My, my....now who sounds bitter?!
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >Seems to me, the Mayor finally listened to the citizens and got
rid
> >>>of
> >>> >a
> >>> > > >bad
> >>> > > >egg.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >What's your REAL problem with this? After what happened at the
NSA
> >>> > > >hearing,
> >>> > > >you of all people should be happy - now, when Atwood or his other
> >>> > > >fellow-puppets wish to talk, chances are they will get ALL the
time
> >>> >they
> >>> > > >need to convince the BOA or the City Council just how persecuted
> >>>they
> >>> > >are.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >J :]
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > >From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
> >>> > > > >To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>> > > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wheaton Story in paper
> >>> > > > >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 07:10:33 -0700
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > >Knowing Wheaton, It's not hard to picture him refusing to
accord
> >>>Her
> >>> > > > >majesty, Queen Chaney, short may she reign, the deference she
> >>>seems
> >>> >to
> >>> > > >have
> >>> > > > >come to expect. So, a little slight of hand with the city
staff,
> >>> > > > >a
> >>> > >quick
> >>> > > > >word of instruction to her pet monkeys Ament and Stout and
poof!
> >>>No
> >>> > >more
> >>> > > > >annoying anti-toady. There's no question that Jon ran a no
> >>>nonsense
> >>> > > >meeting
> >>> > > > >and could be mildly abrasive in doing so but he always seemed
> >>> > > > >very
> >>> >even
> >>> > > > >handed in the way he went about it. To give him the sack in
this
> >>> >manner
> >>> > > >is
> >>> > > > >an insult to his service and a warning to others serving on the
> >>> >various
> >>> > > > >boards and commissions, warm up your rubber stamp or Nancy has
a
> >>> >little
> >>> > > > >surprise for you.
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > >g
> >>> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> >>> > > > >From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >>> > > > >To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:55 AM
> >>> > > > >Subject: [Vision2020] Wheaton Story in paper
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > > > Comments, anyone?
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > The Moscow City Council voted to remove Board of Adjustment
> >>> >Chairman
> >>> > > >Jon
> >>> > > > > > Wheaton from his board position Monday night.
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > "Issues have been reported relating to compliance with legal
> >>> > > > >requirements
> >>> > > > > > for the job," said Moscow Mayor Nancy Chaney, who brought
the
> >>> >issue
> >>> > > > > > forward
> >>> > > > > > as a new agenda item Monday night.
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > Chaney declined to comment further on reasons for Wheaton's
> >>> >removal,
> >>> > > > > > saying
> >>> > > > > > it is a personnel issue.
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > "I regret that he has been unwilling to receive my efforts
to
> >>> > > > > > communicate,"
> >>> > > > > > she said. "I suggest that he be removed; I do this with
> >>>sadness."
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > Wheaton, who has served on the board of adjustment for the
> >>> > > > > > past
> >>>15
> >>> > > >years
> >>> > > > > > and
> >>> > > > > > was reappointed chairman by the board this year, said he
> >>>refused
> >>> > >when
> >>> > > > > > Chaney
> >>> > > > > > asked him to step down.
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > "She didn't say why," he said. "The closest she came was
> >>> > > > > > saying
> >>> >that
> >>> > >I
> >>> > > > > > ruffled somebody's feathers. I thought, 'So they were
> >>>listening.
> >>> > > >Good.'
> >>> > > > >"
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > Wheaton said he refused to sidestep Chaney or "play her
game."
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > "She's got something up her sleeve, but I don't know what
that
> >>> >is,"
> >>> > >he
> >>> > > > > > said.
> >>> > > > > > "She wants to be queen, literally, and everybody will bow
and
> >>> >beckon
> >>> > > >to
> >>> > > > > > her." [DMC: Note - do not cross Nancy Chaney. You are a team
> >>> >player
> >>> > >as
> >>> > > > > > long
> >>> > > > > > as you play the game her way.]
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > Moscow City Councilman John Weber voted against Wheaton's
> >>>removal.
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > "I don't know that the entire (board of adjustment) panel
had
> >>>been
> >>> > > > >spoken
> >>> > > > > > to
> >>> > > > > > about his removal," he said. "I didn't think it was
something
> >>>to
> >>> > > >remove
> >>> > > > > > someone for."
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > J :]
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > >
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