[Vision2020] The sheep attack their own sheepdog......

Fri Oct 27 07:31:08 PDT 2006

I am relieved beyond all measure that you find me unattractive.

And I'll stand by my original comment, thanks.  The "pro-life" movement 
would gain much credibility and moral authority if it demonstrated a 
consistent approach to encouraging, preserving, and advocating for all life. 
  I'm glad you hate abortion, considering it the taking of human life.  I 
do, too.  On the other hand, the moral superiority of those who scream 
"murderer!" at women facing a terribly  wrenching choice is galling, 
especially when they're men who'll never have to go through it.

Have a lovely day,

keely

From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020]  The sheep attack their own sheepdog......
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:25:44 -0700

Oh BS Keely.  Just because conservatives prefer private sector solutions to 
government solutions, does NOT make them insensitive to the plight of the 
less fortunate.  You have a nasty streak of moral superiority about you 
which is terribly unattractive.

I seek to protect society's most innocent and vulnerable citizens from those 
who would savagely murder them.  Just what, precisely, so galls you about 
that stance??

patiently,   -T
----- Original Message ----- From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
To: <tonytime at clearwire.net>; <joekc at adelphia.net>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent!!!!!

>Wouldn't it be wonderful if the avowedly pro-life were in favor of things 
>that sustain and nurture human life AFTER birth?
>
>A "seamless garment" of pro-life concern includes opposition to abortion 
>(not necessarily support for law, but support for a culture shift), as well 
>as a reverence for the lives of poor children, disabled children, school 
>children, children of undocumented workers, incarcerated people, sick 
>people, poor people, elderly people, and all people until the time of 
>natural death.  Trouble is, I hardly ever see an emphasis from "pro-life" 
>people on anything other than fetal life . . .
>
>keely
>
>
>From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>To: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent!!!!!
>Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:57:42 -0700
>
>Joe, instances in which an abortion is the only alternative to losing the
>mother are EXTREMELY rare.  I think you know that this is a red herring.
>
>As far as killing a child to preclude potential future suffering.... that 
>is
>not a justification I would ever want to be in a position of supporting.
>What of a physically healthy child born into extreme poverty or an abusive
>home?  Should we snuff them out as well?  Joe, you are engaging in
>intellectual twister in an effort to rationalize what your heart must be
>telling you is horribly wrong.  You have been conned by our culture of
>death.
>
>  It is not too late for you to assert your instincts, dispense with the
>straitjacket of liberal orthodoxy and STAND UP FOR LIFE!
>
>Best,  -T
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
>To: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:01 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent!!!!!
>
>
> > Dear Tony,
> >
> > Sorry my dear friend but you are mistaken. There are in fact a multitude
> > of justifications for particular abortions: the mother's life is in
> > danger, the child is destined to have a short life yet suffer a great
> > deal, etc.
> >
> > Are you suggesting that the decision to take a human life in the context
> > of a war or capital punishment is somehow less difficult, morally
> > speaking, to make than a similar decision about the taking a human life
>in
> > the context of an abortion? If so, I'm missing the argument. There are
> > difficulties all across the board.
> >
> > The legal/political question is clear in each case: Who is to decide, > 
>you
> > or the State?
> >
> > Hope that you are well!
> >
> > Best, Joe
> >
> > ---- Tony <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:
> >
> > =============
> > Saundra, capital punishment will VERY RARELY result in the unjustified
> > killing of the innocent.  Abortion results in the unjustified killing of
> > the
> > innocent EVERY SINGLE TIME!
> >
> > It really is time you began standing up for what is RIGHT.
> >
> > -T
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
> > To: "'Tony'" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
> > Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:09 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent!!!!!
> >
> >
> >> Tony wrote:
> >> "The death penalty results in the JUSTIFIED killing of the GUILTY."
> >>
> >> Well, at best, that's only partially correct.
> >>
> >> A more correct statement would be:
> >> The death penalty MAY result in the killing of the guilty, but because
>of
> >> the inherent fallibility of any judicial system, it also results in the
> >> UNJUSTIFIED killing of the INNOCENT.
> >>
> >>
> >> HTH,
> >> Saundra Lund
> >> Moscow, ID
> >>
> >> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to
>do
> >> nothing.
> >> - Edmund Burke
> >>
> >> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra
>Lund.
> >> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020
>forum
> >> without the express written permission of the author.*****
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> >> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> >> On Behalf Of Tony
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:59 PM
> >> To: Tom Hansen
> >> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent!!!!!
> >>
> >> Tom, you seem to be having considerable difficulty with what is really 
> >> a
> >> very simple concept.  If you would pay more than your usual degree of
> >> attention, I will promise to go slow.......
> >>
> >> The death penalty results in the JUSTIFIED killing of the GUILTY.
> >> Abortion
> >> results in the UNJUSTIFIED killing of the INNOCENT.
> >>
> >> Did you get that, or should I arrange for some remedial courses?
> >>
> >> Helping the intellectually challenged,  -T
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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