[Vision2020] Animal Abusers, Welcome to Red Idaho!

Fri Nov 17 18:51:18 PST 2006

Doug,

What is the materialistic teaching of Darwinism?  Is there a definition of 
this?

Or is it based on that famous treatise of his where he discussed the pricing 
of finch beaks?

Sunil

>From: heirdoug at netscape.net
>To: jeanlivingston at turbonet.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020]  Animal Abusers, Welcome to Red Idaho!
>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:17:27 -0500
>
>Bruce,
>
>I just have to wonder if there is any direct correlation between the
>topic below and the teaching Mr. Gier espouses with respect to the
>human baby inside a mother not being a true person worthy of dignity.
>Or Mr. Gier's teaching that animals are the same as humans. Both of
>which he gleaned from the materialistic teaching of Darwinism.
>
>Ideas have consequences!
>
>Here is a book that might bring some of this to light: "FROM DARWIN TO
>HITLER: EVOLUTIONARY ETHICS, EUGENICS, AND RACISM IN GERMANY by Richard
>Weikart"
>
>lemeno, Doug
>
>----- Original Message -----
> >From: Bruce and Jean Livingston jeanlivingston at turbonet.com
> >To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >
> >Subject: [Vision2020] Animal Abusers, Welcome to Red Idaho!
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
>--------
> >
> >I have an interesting anecdotal nugget that cannot be statistically
> >validated to necessarily have any significance, but it still is
> >"interesting."
> >
> >One of the things I do in my work with death row inmates is to
>investigate
> >their lives, looking for reasons how they came to be the person they
>are and
> >perhaps find evidence that could have been presented to a jury that
>would
> >have convinced a jury to sentence the murderer to life in prison
>instead of
> >death.
> >
> >Obviously, a common thread in these cases is a violent family
>background.
> >All too typically, the murderer's childhood is replete with stories of
> >violence, with the seeming consequence that the child grows up
> >de-senstitized to violence, and becomes violent. The violence that we
> >usually think about is domestic violence and sex abuse, with the child
> >experiencing the violence personally as both an observer and the
>recipient.
> >Dad beats mom brutally in front of the children a lot, or beats the
>children
> >themselves, or uncle Jimmy sodomizes little Joey, repeatedly, etc. etc.
> >
> >But the interesting anecdote that Saundra's "animal abuser" tag line
> >prompted for me was this surprising anecdotal fact: In more than half
>of
> >the death penalty mitigation investigations that I have conducted, as
>a
> >child the eventual murderer experienced the "murder" of an animal that
>was
> >his pet by violent means at the hands of a close relative, usually
>"Dad."
> >For example, I am talking about angrily smashing the pet dog's head
>with a
> >booted foot in the kitchen, or killing the family cat by wringing it's
>head
> >off, or most gruesomely, beating a horse to death with a hammer, for
>not
> >going onto the trailer easily (and then refusing to put it out of its
>misery
> >and letting it linger, moaning, for two days, when any other horse in
>the
> >family outfitting business would be mercifully shot if it broke a leg).
> >
> >I cannot verify that animal abuse leads to violence in humans that
>observe
> >it, but the surprising frequency of this sort of conduct in the lives
>of
> >death row inmates when they were young children gives me great pause.
> >
> >Bruce Livingston
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
> >To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:38 PM
> >Subject: [Vision2020] Animal Abusers, Welcome to Red Idaho!
> >
> > Visionaries,
> >
> > The first time I posted about this issue back in September 2004,
>Idaho was
> > one of only nine states in our great nation that lacked a felony
>animal
> > cruelty statute.
> >
> > I think it's time to revisit this issue because in the time since, the
> > situation has gotten worse instead of improving :-( At this point,
>Idaho
> > remains one of only ***four*** states that still lacks a felony animal
> > cruelty statute.
> >
> > My understanding is that Rep. Tom Trail has been working to fix this
> > travesty. To date, he's been unsuccessful, and I'm hoping he will
>provide
> > us with his comments and the current status.
> >
> > Why should you care?
> >
> > For one thing, as appropriate laws and penalties are enforced
>elsewhere,
> > Idaho becomes a more and more attractive place for those law breakers
>to
> > come.
> >
> > For the last 25 years, the link between animal abuse and domestic
>violence
> > (child abuse, spouse abuse, elder abuse) has been recognized. As long
>as
> > we
> > allow Idaho to continue to be a haven for animal abusers, we create an
> > environment that's more dangerous for ***all*** Idahoans.
> >
> > Are you sick of watching your neighbor leave his/her animals outside
> > without
> > adequate food/water/shelter? Well, too bad for you -- not to mention
>for
> > the animals -- because Idaho lacks adequate definitions and standards
>of
> > *basic* care :-(
> >
> > And, let's say you witness a person abusing his/her animal and do the
> > right
> > thing by reporting it. And, the offender is convicted, even though
>it's
> > just a misdemeanor. You've saved the animal from a wretched existence,
> > right? Wrong! Idaho law does NOT provide for forfeiture of abused
> > animals,
> > so right back to the abuser the animal goes :-(
> >
> > Idaho law also fails to provide for restrictions on the future
>ownership
> > or
> > possession of animals following conviction. So, Harry or Mary could
>beat
> > their dog, be convicted, burn their cat alive, be convicted, starve
>their
> > horse, be convicted, etc., etc., etc.
> >
> > "But, only a crazy person would do that," you might say. Maybe, maybe
>not
> > .
> > . . but we'll never know because Idaho law also fails to provide for
> > mental
> > health evaluations or counseling for those convicted of animal abuse.
> >
> > No matter what kind of growth you advocate, you'd better hope our
> > legislature -- and our local authorities -- start making things right
>with
> > respect to animal laws because the situation will only worsen. It will
> > continue to hit us in the pocketbooks because there's a financial
>aspect
> > to
> > our woefully inadequate laws: Idaho law doesn't provide for adequate
>cost
> > mitigation provisions (i.e., cost of care bonds, reimbursement of
>costs,
> > restitution) for impounded animals.
> >
> > While some of these and other inadequacies need to be resolved at the
> > state
> > level, there's plenty of room for improvement locally. The City of
>Moscow
> > had just such an opportunity a year or so ago, yet the then-City
>Council
> > took a pass on addressing these very real problems. We should
>advocate
> > for
> > our Mayor and current Council Members to show the wisdom of local
> > improvement *now* rather than waiting until it costs us even more
>money .
> > .
> > . and suffering.
> >
> >
> > JMHO,
> > Saundra Lund
> > Moscow, ID
> >
> > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
>to do
> > nothing.
> > - Edmund Burke
> >
> > ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra
>Lund.
> > Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020
>forum
> > without the express written permission of the author.*****
> >
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