[Vision2020] Re: Parasite?

[g. crabtree]

Ms. Opyr sez,

> "until men become pregnant and face the physical risks and emotional 
> turmoil themselves, I'm not all that interested in what they have to say 
> on the subject."

I assume that since you have no interest in our opinions, you have a similar 
disinterest in our funds should a man somehow become involved in this "girls 
only" dilemma. I would be very interested to hear what rights you would be 
willing to afford men when it comes to their progeny. Equal partner or shut 
up and haul out your wallet?

gc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joan Opyr" <joanopyr at moscow.com>
To: "Carl Westberg" <carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Parasite?


> On 13 Mar 2006, at 13:13, Carl Westberg wrote:
>
>> Donovan asks:  "I am curious, are you saying that the value of life is 
>> determined by its size?"  Well, would you rather be Mickey Rooney or 
>> Chuck Norris? 
>> Carl Westberg Jr.
>>
>
> Neither.  I want to be Steve McQueen.  But everybody knows that.  (Where's 
> my 1968 Mustang Fastback?  Where's my Triumph Bonneville?  I ask you.)
>
> Chasuk's point, I believe, was that he cannot assign the terms "innocent" 
> or "human" to a collection of cells the size of a pinhead.  I have no idea 
> (and neither does Donovan) how Chasuk defines the "value of life."  I have 
> no idea how Chasuk defines life, period.  We human beings are a massive 
> collection of living cells, a few hundred thousand of which "die" 
> everyday.  (Or is it millions?  Biology 101 was a long time ago.)  That 
> said, though I am pro-choice, I am neither sanguine nor dismissive when it 
> comes to moral qualms about abortion.  In my own experience, the desire to 
> carry a pregnancy to term is overwhelming, even when that pregnancy is 
> dangerous, unwise, harmful, or devastating. I've known many women facing 
> an unwanted pregnancy and the unwanted choice of whether or not to 
> terminate.  None of them danced down to the clinic or had an "I'm so 
> relieved" party afterward.
>
> And, while I'm on the subject, let me just go ahead and stick my big 
> sexist foot into this debate: until men become pregnant and face the 
> physical risks and emotional turmoil themselves, I'm not all that 
> interested in what they have to say on the subject.  You want to hear me 
> rant about vasectomies?  About killing (or trapping) innocent spermatozoa 
> who might, just might, one day fertilize an egg?  Probably not.  I don't 
> recall abortion being mentioned in the Bible, but there's considerable 
> food for thought when it comes to the sin of Onan.  If you're spilling 
> your seed onto the ground, gentlemen . . . God help you.
>
> Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
> www.joanopyr.com
>
> PS: And don't even start with Thou Shall Not Kill; there are too many 
> qualifiers.  Thou Shall Not Kill unless we're talking about a convicted 
> criminal, or self-defense, or the "enemy."  Pshaw.
>
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