[Vision2020] Good sport? No!

Fri Jun 23 16:31:36 PDT 2006

Our intelligence has reported that some of this dispatch, including names
and topics on the sporting events getting discussed, have been directed
right from the Doug Wilson household.  

Personally, I'm glad these guys have decided to do this; it is very
informative for those outside the Kirk.  Although after a while, enough is
enough.

Michael

Visionoids,

Please ignore the letter from Larson. It's just a dumb joke. Heh heh... We
don't even have a clubhouse. Heh...

Deacon

P.S. Larson, I believe you not supposed to mention Operation Ortspay Atchay
on Isionvay Entytway Entyway.

Guys,

I got my letter!! Whew, I was starting to feel left out!  So far so good
though, eh?  I think Operation Sports Chat is proving to be a real sucess -
I hope Master Wilson is pleased!  See you guys at the clubhouse. 

Long Live Wilson,
Truly, Visionaires, whether the subject is skylarking-as-sport, security and
Shiraz at Trinity Fest, derogatory remarks about Intoleristas and
mean-spirited jokes about substance abusers and neuroses, or much of
anything else, I'm sick to death of hearing from Kirk boys.

Perhaps Doug Wilson ought to dispatch -- hell, just permit -- some women
from the Kirk to take up the thankless job of defending the group.  I'm
beginning to believe that the next generation of Christ Church leaders won't
be found among the crass, clueless and craven NSA boys we've been
entertained by, and the with the young women disqualified, it's gonna be a
long, dry season after this crop of elders retire.

Doug, are you just pleased as patriarchal punch with the job your boys are
doing?  You must be; they've certainly learned from the masters...

keely

Larson

On 6/23/06, Saundra Lund <sslund at adelphia.net> wrote: 

Speaking of pedophiles, Mr. Hicks, when did *you* learn not only that an
adult predator had abused one of our community's *very* young teen girls but
also that a serial predatory pedophile had operated undetected in our 
community for 18 months?

According to your pastor, the information was available to you sometime in
late 2005.

If that's the case, I'd like to know what makes you think it proper to
"infiltrate" V2020 now with all your silly sports posts to try to shift 
attention away from real issues facing our community after you *chose* to
remain silent while privy to *important* information pertaining to the
safety of our children, information that was withheld from the vast majority

of our community?

Oh . . . wait . . . I see where you admitted on V2020 to being at a 2005 HOH
parish meeting where you were informed.

Then WHAT in God's name is your excuse, Mr. Hicks?

Somehow, I don't think God is going to look too kindly on your strategy of 
obfuscation that harms *all* of God's children.  You *knew*, and you said
nothing . . . did nothing . . . to protect our children.  Shame on you, Mr.
Hicks  :-(

May God have mercy on your soul.

Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
- Edmund Burke

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-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Larson Hicks
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 11:43 AM
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Good sport? No!

Speaking of little men - the draw for Wimbeldon has taken place and it looks
like Federer got a tough one.  My question is:  Is it worth $19.95 to get 
all-access to the Wimbeldon action on the interweb?  I was terribly
dissappointed that I didn't get to watch any of the French Open and I have a
feeling that Wimbeldon might be Lleyton's chance to dethrone Nadal, which 
would make my month!

This is a serious question, I hope this isn't misconstrued as some sort of
ploy to distract from Jackie's brilliant and very important concerns about
the safety of downtowners from all of the drunk fundy-pedophiles that'll be 
flooding downtown in a month, or especially from her valuable facial-hair
commentary.

On 6/23/06, J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:

        Look, little man - I was bringing up concerns that I felt needed to 
be
        aired.  If you don't have anything valid or contributory to offer,
why don't
        you just sit down on the big couch in front of the big tv and watch
the big
        game?  Or better yet, why don't you go clean out your beard.......it

looks
        more like a food-catch-all than a facial feature to be proud of.

        You are not funny and you certainly do not have this community's
interest in
        mind when you post this kind of clap-trap. 

        Gabe has made some major errors while being the "security
coordinator" for
        this event.  The concerns of the people involved have been and
apparently
        will continue to be ignored by him and the rest of the "gang".  This

does
        NOT speak well for your organization nor for the "christian" way you
are
        supposed to be operating.

        He has less than one month and a few days before this thing
goes...he has
        YET to even contact the businesses in the CBD, much less
"coordinate"
        anything that would relay any sense of confidence to the community
regarding
        it.

        I felt his presentation and affect during his talk on Monday as well
as
        other times he has come before a City Committee, was totally
unprofessional,
        did NOT come across as being confident and lacked a great deal of 
        information that could have prevented ANYone from asking questions
or at
        least fewer ones.  I don't see why this type of permit, which
effects all of
        us TAX PAYING citizens can not be brought before the public and our 
input be
        listened to.  You don't agree with that - fine.

        Don't accuse me of something you have NO knowledge of nor has any
basis of
        fact to back it up.  You don't even know me.  (Yes, I know - that 
has never
        stopped you people from being stupid before.)

        Now, I am sure there must be something on ESPN you could be
        watching.......................

        J  :]

        >From: "Taro Tanaka" < taro_tanaka at hotmail.com>
        >To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
        >Subject: [Vision2020] Good sport: entertaining J Ford's questions
with
        >theseriousness they deserve
        >Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:18:10 +0000
        >
        >Let others blather mindlessly about sports. I, for one, shall be a 
good
        >sport and entertain J Ford's questions with the seriousness they
deserve.
        >
        >Question 1:  Was he aware of the complaints last year (as he
specifically
        >stated on Monday) or was he not? 
        >
        >Answer 1: That is correct.
        >
        >Question 2:  Are they not valid simply because he may not have been
aware
        >of them?  He says several time in his statement that he does not 
feel they
        >(the complaints) are valid because he did not know about them until
"they
        >were brought to the table a couple of weeks ago."
        >
        >Answer 2: The bad news is, the statute of limitations has run out 
on last
        >year's complaints. The good news is, there is still plenty of time
to get
        >in your reservations for this year's complaints. Be a good citizen!
--
        >complain early, complain often. 
        >
        >Question 3:  WHAT account?  What does that mean?
        >
        >Answer 3: That "account" means *causality.* You can read it as, "I
assume
        >you want us to have 2 Moscow PC officers *because of* Credenda 
Agenda."
        >
        >Question 4:  Why in this world would you "assume" the City Council
wants 2
        >MPD?  Assumptions are based on knowledge, to some extent, and so I
am
        >wondering just what his "assume"ing is based upon.
        >
        >Answer 4: No, if assumptions were *based on* knowledge, they would
not be
        >assumptions. Assumptions are things that you simply *asssume* to be

true.
        >Knowledge is based on assumptions (i.e., faith), not the other way
around.
        >
        >Question 5a:  Did anyone ask Moscow Hotel if they want *his*
security
        >guards "permanently" stationed on their steps? 
        >
        >Answer 5a: No, but since 9/11 such measures have unfortunately
become
        >necessary for security. Your kind understanding and cooperation are
greatly
        >appreciated. 
        >
        >Question 5b:  Since Gabe is denying there was a problem last year
in
        >regards to the access issue, and he had security guards there LAST
year,
        >what makes it any better this year, to set the situation up the 
same way?
        >
        >Answer 5b: It must be granted that setting the situation up the
same way as
        >last year does not make it any better this year. It only makes it
"just as 
        >good," which is okay insofar as there was no problem last year.
        >
        >Question 6:  Just how many "security guards" will be stationed
around the
        >play area to guard the children from interacting with people who 
have/will
        >be drinking?
        >
        >Answer 6: This information cannot be divulged for security reasons,
but it
        >will be an adequate number. There are also ample numbers of highly 
trained
        >yet fresh reservists that can be called up in the event an
unexpectedly
        >large number of paedocommunionists show up.
        >
        >Question 7:  Just what kind of training or experience will these 
"security
        >guards" have that would enable them to spot a person, much less
take care
        >of a person, that has partaken a bit too much of what the beer/wind
garden
        >will be offering? 
        >
        >Answer 7: This information too cannot be divulged for security
reasons, but
        >suffice it to say that key personnel in charge of training are
former
        >members of elite U.S. military special forces drinking teams. A few
country
        >bumpkins, even armed with six-packs of Sam Adams, are no match for
these
        >guys.
        >
        >Question 8:  How many drinks will any one person or persons be 
allowed to
        >buy during the evening and who is going to say "enough"?
        >
        >Answer 8: People shall be permitted drinks only up to the limit,
and not
        >one drink beyond the limit shall be permitted. 
        >
        >Question 9:  Is there any reason this event could not have been
held in the
        >East Side Park, where the beer/wind garden could be placed at a
safer
        >distance from the children's play area? 
        >
        >Answer 9: Yes, there is a reason: an increased distance in the
other
        >location would not be "safer."
        >
        >Question 10:  Why is it that this issue is not opened to a public 
hearing
        >so that those with LEGITIMATE concerns can be heard before you
allow this
        >type of event to be given a green light?
        >
        >Answer 10: Legitimate concerns like the ones you are expressing 
here? To
        >ask the question is to answer it. Why don't you pour yourself a
stiff drink
        >or three, pop a few Prozacs, and then we can talk when you are no
longer
        >hyperventilating. 
        >
        >Question 11:  Why not put out a resolution that any beer/wine
request for
        >ANY City Park be open to public comment?
        >
        >Answer 11: Do you mind if we offer up libations to the gods while 
we hear
        >these public comments?
        >
        >It seems to me that the added traffic issues, the noise issues and
the
        >possible DWI issues an event like this is likely to create dictates

the
        >public's interests and concerns should be heard by the City Council
before
        >it just grants an event like this "carte blanche."
        >
        >Don't worry, as far as profitless increased traffic and noise 
issues are
        >concerned, your pre-emptive fret-fest already far outstrips
anything the
        >Trinity Fest itself causes. Keep it up and the Trinity Fest will
seem staid
        >and quiet by comparison. As for intoxication, I'd like to know what

you've
        >been ingesting that makes your mind produce the above questions.
You should
        >stay away from controlled substances.
        >
        >-- Princess Sushitushi
        > 
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