[Vision2020] Phil, Molly Ivins, and the meaning of evil

[Phil Nisbet]

Jim

Let me start by stating quite clearly, I am not nor do I intend to be a 
politico.  I work on politics as I have for years to see that the system is 
workable and does not turn into the kinds of squabble that lead to violence 
and hate between people.

And you are dead wrong if you assume that I am a centrist.  I have my 
reasons for all of the things I hold dear in ideology, I am simply not one 
who thinks that because you differ from me, I need to be your enemy.  The 
whole concept of a Republic is that people of disparate beliefs can still 
work together to form a just government, as long as they respect the rights 
of opinion and action of their fellow citizens.

Molly Ivins is of that group of people who see politics as War and find that 
in their wars truth needs to be the first casualty.  Groups, who practice 
that kind of politics are the first and most dangerous opponents to a 
Republic, be they from the right or from the left.  They not only do not 
stick to the facts, they are willing to make facts up out of thin air to 
dehumanize opposition to their ideals.

Jim, I research and am open to reading and observing reality, but that does 
not mean that I need to awake to propaganda of any group.  It seems to 
bother you that the bulk of the American People do not hold your ideological 
truths dear and are unwilling to join in a holy crusade based on facts which 
may have been manufactured by propagandists like Ivins.  It might amaze, but 
the bulk of us do not wish to live in a single religion or political 
ideology state with a utopian vision that sees all who oppose us as demons 
from hell.

Yes, Jim, government is flawed and has a tendency to corruption.   It’s a 
human institution and we poor frail humans make mistakes and are often 
driven by bad judgment or personal ends.  That is not only true for the 
current administration, its true for all administrations of the American 
Republic.

What Ivins said is that the government was responsible for a lightening 
strike’s ignition of methane gas that is an inherent part of any coal seam 
in the bituminous grade.  It has nothing to do with trees or stumps or lack 
of regulation.  The infractions at the mine from MSHA regulations were the 
same ones that have been in place for a number of years, were not diluted 
from their condition under the Clinton Administration and were not ones that 
under either Bush or Clinton would have forced a mine closure.  The 
explosion happened due to a cause that was not covered by any safety 
regulation on the books.  The miner’s safety training, required under the 
existing regulations, dictated their response and they used the self rescue 
devices that are mandated under the regulations to survive for a time 
following the explosion.

Should there have been better self rescue devices at the Sago Mine or mines 
in general?  Probably, but they were not considered for an upgrade under 
Clinton and no situation had been conceived that made a more than 7 hour 
device necessary.

And who at the governmental level was in charge of changes to length 
required for self rescuers or to consider problems related to things like 
lightening strikes?  The United States Bureau of Mines.  The Bureau of Mines 
had programs actively seeking new methods for self rescue devices, longer 
shelf lives for them, and new procedures for mine safety and a raft of other 
research to make mining a safer bet.  And in 1995, at the behest of the 
Clinton Administration, they ceased to exist.  I recall a Molly Ivins piece 
of the time cheering the closure of the USBM since as far as Molly was 
concerned, it was not the role of government to come up with things like 
self rescue devices and mine safety procedures, that should fall to the 
industry, since even a decade ago Molly was calling USBM people stooges of 
industry.

So for the past decade, under both Democrats and Republicans, there have 
been no innovations in mine safety or changes in regulation.  Democrats were 
all for seeing the governmental group that could have made a difference done 
in because they opposed mining in general and saw the USBM as some sort of 
hand out to mining companies.  Republicans were for doing in the group that 
could have made a difference because they opposed general regulation and did 
not want to see a governmental agency doing research on it.  So tell me Jim, 
which of the two was evil?  The result was the same, twelve men died because 
the people who researched methods to see that they did not were removed from 
the equation.

So, yes Jim, we live in dangerous times, when guys like you refuse to do the 
research required to figure out what actually goes wrong and instead rely on 
ideologically driven rhetoric from propagandists that leaves people at risk. 
  The ideologues from left and right are POed because the rest of us are not 
up in arms and at the barricades ready to kill the demons of the opposition 
and instead wish to live and let live.  We refuse to see the world in a tree 
hugger versus Earth Raper dichotomy and instead want both a good 
environment, sound regulation of activity and the jobs that come from 
providing resources with a safe working place for resource workers.  Those 
of us in the No Man’s Land are asking you in the trenches to stop throwing 
grenades and help the rest of us fill in the shell holes because it’s the 
war you have going on that is the evil that masks the truth.

Phil Nisbet



>From: Jim Meyer <m1e2y3e4 at moscow.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] Phil, Molly Ivins, and the meaning of evil
>Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:10:42 -0800
>
>Phil,
>You seem like a reasonable fellow, perhaps a bit to the right of main 
>stream, but you seem to take your facts seriously and I see that you take 
>pains to be what you would consider centrist. Maybe you are even planning 
>on running for office as I gather from the way you go out of your way to be 
>political by attempting to withhold blame from all 
>participants--government, industry and workers. An admirable trait 
>really--up to a point--better to solve a problem than scapegoat someone. We 
>probably have large areas of agreement. For instance, I think you and I 
>would agree that tree spikers are criminals; we would probably agree about 
>a great many things. However, your demonizing and misunderstanding of Molly 
>Ivin's column bothers me. Not so much because it is you personally, but 
>because you represent a whole group, even a generation, of fairly well 
>informed people--likable, reasonable people who have never seen in their 
>lifetimes, and who can't accept, and won't believe, and who will 
>intentionally engage in self-deceit in order to avoid the recognition that 
>our current federal government is dangerously inept and that it came into 
>office on the premise, promise, and delivery of a climate of corruption.
>
>Well, I say to you, and others like you, it is time to wake up. Time to see 
>the facts as they really are. Time to listen, in spite of your prejudices. 
>Time to research. Time to get your information from other places besides 
>the propaganda machine.Time to realize that mere dissent does not mean your 
>can write someone off as a radical tree hugger, as you have done with Molly 
>Ivins (or unpatriotic). Time to realize that people can be wrong on many 
>points but dead on right on others.
>
>As was pointed out already on V2020, you comments do not actually address 
>what Molly Ivins said, even when you had a chance to follow up (but your 
>comments do show your prejudice). I imagine you have heard the saying "the 
>only good tree is stump?" What Molly Ivins said, but perhaps not so clearly 
>to the uninformed or to the ostriches among us, was that the federal 
>government, through a regulatory climate that could be best characterized 
>as "the only good regulation is none at all" is probably largely 
>responsible for mining tragedy that is the subject of our current 
>discussion. Molly Ivins merely asks, what oversight wasn't done? What 
>oversight wasn't done due to appointing the fox to guard the henhouse? Due 
>to budget cuts? Was an incompetent political appointee responsible? Was 
>there direction from the executive branch to minimize inspections? 
>Certainly in my area of expertise--pharmacy--such questions are entirely 
>reasonable to ask and the answers are troubling. Without going into detail, 
>there is every reason to believe that the FDA has not been doing as good a 
>job as they should have, for many of the reasons I mention. There are 
>numerous examples in all areas of government, Molly Ivins mentions Katrina. 
>Prior to Katrina, you don't seriously think that the best and most 
>qualified person was chosen to head FEMA, do you?
>
>Phil, we live in dangerous times. It scares me that a whole generation 
>denies the truth, and worse yet also doesn't even bother to look for it. I 
>mentioned the meaning of evil. Evil isn't that ignorant people make bad 
>decisions. Evil is when society as a whole, for whatever reasons, becomes 
>an accomplice to and enshrines bad decisions, intentionally avoids truth 
>and justice, and looks the other way in a climate of corruption. I hope you 
>and others like you can push the propaganda, the sound bites, and the false 
>emotional issues aside to see the truth. And take meaningful action. Our 
>nation depends on it.
>
>Jim Meyer
>
>>
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>>Message: 4
>>Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:01:34 -0800
>>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Aggressive Audit of Poor Par for Course
>>	(Molly Ivins)
>>To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Message-ID: <BAY108-F3937065912964E3639BB1DEA1A0 at phx.gbl>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>>
>>Keely
>>
>>I listened to the interviews of the families and that was their general 
>>contention.  And even assuming that West Virginia were flush with jobs, 
>>say down at the local Wally World, the pay and the skills and a lot more 
>>took the veteran miners underground.  The kid who was rescued was the 
>>rookie, with only three years on the job, while the rest of the men at 
>>Sago that day had decades underground.
>>
>>Entry level wages for a muck stick operator, a surface guy plying a shovel 
>>are $11 an hour.  Guys with years in the business make very good blue 
>>collar wages for what is a highly skilled job.  They need to know how to 
>>drill blast patterns that only shot the seam, how to engineer supports, 
>>wire the electrical and set up air feeds, run coal and rock cutting 
>>equipment, keep muckers and tram systems going.  And I am sorry, but I do 
>>not know of too many people who ever work a mine because they were driven 
>>to it by economic need.  What might have been a reality in the 1900-40 is 
>>not one today.
>>
>>I commented to you because I started to read Molly Ivins piece, caught her 
>>standard diatribe and simply had to say, yetch!  My comment is directed 
>>exclusively at Ms Ivins.  The dangerous papercuts she receives make it 
>>perfectly OK I guess to call people stooges for Mining Companies, as if a 
>>company wants to see twelve top flight employees killed, its mine crushed 
>>by an explosion and millions of dollars lost.  Saying that somebody is a 
>>stooge for something instantly says that the entity you are stooging for 
>>is disreputable and I have read enough of Molly's anti-mining pieces to 
>>know that in her High Rise Office space she sees mines as evil nasty 
>>places inhabited by the forces of darkness.
>>
>>Molly and her ilk have painted pictures for all of you of Miners and the 
>>companies they work for that I frankly can not recognize from real life 
>>experiences in mines around the world.  From Captain Planet to Molly Ivins 
>>columns the impression keeps coming that Mining Companies must be forcing 
>>people below ground at the point of a gun, working hard to destroy the 
>>planet and getting paid by the acre of destruction they work hard to 
>>assure happens.  The image comes equipped with impressions of slave 
>>drivers whipping children through darkness lit only by feeble candle 
>>flickers.
>>
>>Yes it’s silly to see the poor as somehow the root of corruption.  That’s 
>>as silly as dehumanizing a whole profession and demonizing its culture.  
>>Its as silly as a writer sitting in a high rise office building risking 
>>nothing and dragging down more money than the President of the United 
>>States of America’s salary yammering about subjects she has no knowledge 
>>of using tired clichés to do it and all while twelve families are trying 
>>to find solace for their loses.
>>
>>If nothing else, Ivins can always get my blood pressure going.  You may be 
>>right, she has a point somewhere in her piece there.  But at what point 
>>does a hit piece writer write one too many attacks and low blows?  She 
>>reached that point with me many years ago.
>>
>>Phil Nisbet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>>>To: pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com
>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Aggressive Audit of Poor Par for Course (Molly 
>>>Ivins)
>>>Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:15:33 -0800
>>>
>>>Phil,
>>>
>>>Other than disputing your contention that the miners all loved their work 
>>>-- I think that you might find that not to be the case if West Virginia 
>>>were flush with other employment opportunities -- I really can't talk 
>>>much about mining.  The point of my post was Ivins' development into the 
>>>Bush-encouraged IRS and its picking out and picking on poor people.
>>>
>>>You know a lot more about mining than I do, but I bet you and I could 
>>>both agree that perhaps the greatest example of graft, corruption and 
>>>greed in the United States is not to be found among those families 
>>>earning just at or below the poverty line -- but they sure make a hell of 
>>>a target, don't they?
>>>
>>>Take care,
>>>
>>>keely
>>>
>>>
>>>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>>To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Aggressive Audit of Poor Par for Course (Molly 
>>>Ivins)
>>>Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:31:40 -0800
>>>
>>>Keely
>>>
>>>All I have to do is read Molly's routine that turns Miners into demons to 
>>>stop bothering with getting further.  Her standard is to pick somebody 
>>>and dehumanize them while singing a soft song for somebody else.
>>>
>>>MSHA has a dual mission.  They have to do mine inspections, but they also 
>>>are the only ones left who can also carry out the work of the Bureau of 
>>>Mines.  They are not the enemy.
>>>
>>>The coal companies are trying to mine and sell coal to the power industry 
>>>for turning out electrical energy.  They fight to keep costs down so that 
>>>the consumers do not pay higher electric bills.  They pay their workforce 
>>>higher wages than most industrial jobs do, for what is a very hazardous 
>>>profession.  They are not the enemy.
>>>
>>>Miner's love their jobs, which is why they work in an industry with such 
>>>high hazards.  Its a job that has a built in culture very different than 
>>>that on the street.  Its why the older miners would give their self 
>>>rescuers to keep the young guy alive.  They are not the enemy.
>>>
>>>Not one of the people involved in that tragedy was a stooge.  They were 
>>>all hands who knew the risks and did a job that others find distasteful 
>>>or frightening.  They are not demons from hell, bent on destroying the 
>>>environment or dollar hungry slime balls uncaring about worker safety.  
>>>No doubt Molly typed her report on a computer powered by the coal that 
>>>those men dug, but instead of celebrating their lives and the gift that 
>>>their labor gave her, she terms their culture one of stooges.
>>>
>>>She can never know the generosity of those miners, guys who will give 
>>>their last dollar to worthy causes with nothing more than a shrug.  She 
>>>will never be as close as a team working on a face to any other person 
>>>she knows.  Molly's worse fear is a paper cut on the job, not the clear 
>>>understanding that one day the rock with your name on it is going to get 
>>>you.
>>>
>>>Mine safety is better now than it has ever been and hopefully it will get 
>>>better still.  But mining will always be a risky job, as anything 
>>>involving millions of tons of rock and high explosives and heavy 
>>>machinery is bound to be.  And there will always be men and women who 
>>>love the work and are willing to do it for the resources that you all 
>>>enjoy.
>>>
>>>Phil Nisbet
>>>Just another stooge I guess, Molly Ivers told me so.
>>>
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>>Message: 5
>>Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:13:30 -0800
>>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Aggressive Audit of Poor Par for Course
>>	(Molly Ivins)
>>To: "'Phil Nisbet'" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>, <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Message-ID: <200601170113.k0H1DcWl035436 at mail-gw.fsr.net>
>>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>I believe it was claimed, during one of the interviews following the Sago
>>Mine tragedy, that underground miners at Sago were taking home a mere $700
>>every two weeks.
>>
>>A son of one of the deceased miners said that he promised his father, a 
>>week
>>or two before the accident, that he would not go to work in the mine.  I
>>certainly don't blame him, considering that I earn more as an IH at UI.
>>
>>That aside.  Molly Ivins was NOT criticizing labor at the mine.  Her anger
>>was aimed at management and its apparent lack of concern for safety.
>>
>>Enough said.
>>
>>Tom Hansen
>>Moscow, Idaho
>>
>>"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
>>safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
>>sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body thoroughly 
>>used
>>up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>>On Behalf Of Phil Nisbet
>>Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 5:02 PM
>>To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Aggressive Audit of Poor Par for Course (Molly
>>Ivins)
>>
>>Keely
>>
>>I listened to the interviews of the families and that was their general 
>>contention.  And even assuming that West Virginia were flush with jobs, 
>>say down at the local Wally World, the pay and the skills and a lot more 
>>took the veteran miners underground.  The kid who was rescued was the 
>>rookie, with only three years on the job, while the rest of the men at 
>>Sago that day
>>
>>had decades underground.
>>
>>Entry level wages for a muck stick operator, a surface guy plying a shovel 
>>are $11 an hour.  Guys with years in the business make very good blue 
>>collar
>>
>>wages for what is a highly skilled job.  They need to know how to drill 
>>blast patterns that only shot the seam, how to engineer supports, wire the 
>>electrical and set up air feeds, run coal and rock cutting equipment, keep 
>>muckers and tram systems going.  And I am sorry, but I do not know of too 
>>many people who ever work a mine because they were driven to it by 
>>economic need.  What might have been a reality in the 1900-40 is not one 
>>today.
>>
>>I commented to you because I started to read Molly Ivins piece, caught her 
>>standard diatribe and simply had to say, yetch!  My comment is directed 
>>exclusively at Ms Ivins.  The dangerous papercuts she receives make it 
>>perfectly OK I guess to call people stooges for Mining Companies, as if a 
>>company wants to see twelve top flight employees killed, its mine crushed 
>>by
>>
>>an explosion and millions of dollars lost.  Saying that somebody is a 
>>stooge
>>
>>for something instantly says that the entity you are stooging for is 
>>disreputable and I have read enough of Molly's anti-mining pieces to know 
>>that in her High Rise Office space she sees mines as evil nasty places 
>>inhabited by the forces of darkness.
>>
>>Molly and her ilk have painted pictures for all of you of Miners and the 
>>companies they work for that I frankly can not recognize from real life 
>>experiences in mines around the world.  From Captain Planet to Molly Ivins 
>>columns the impression keeps coming that Mining Companies must be forcing 
>>people below ground at the point of a gun, working hard to destroy the 
>>planet and getting paid by the acre of destruction they work hard to 
>>assure happens.  The image comes equipped with impressions of slave 
>>drivers whipping children through darkness lit only by feeble candle 
>>flickers.
>>
>>Yes it’s silly to see the poor as somehow the root of corruption.  That’s 
>>as
>>
>>silly as dehumanizing a whole profession and demonizing its culture.  Its 
>>as
>>
>>silly as a writer sitting in a high rise office building risking nothing 
>>and
>>
>>dragging down more money than the President of the United States of 
>>America’s salary yammering about subjects she has no knowledge of using 
>>tired clichés to do it and all while twelve families are trying to find 
>>solace for their loses.
>>
>>If nothing else, Ivins can always get my blood pressure going.  You may be 
>>right, she has a point somewhere in her piece there.  But at what point 
>>does
>>
>>a hit piece writer write one too many attacks and low blows?  She reached 
>>that point with me many years ago.
>>
>>Phil Nisbet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>>>To: pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com
>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Aggressive Audit of Poor Par for Course (Molly 
>>>Ivins)
>>>Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:15:33 -0800
>>>
>>>Phil,
>>>
>>>Other than disputing your contention that the miners all loved their work 
>>>-- I think that you might find that not to be the case if West Virginia 
>>>were flush with other employment opportunities -- I really can't talk 
>>>much about mining.  The point of my post was Ivins' development into the 
>>>Bush-encouraged IRS and its picking out and picking on poor people.
>>>
>>>You know a lot more about mining than I do, but I bet you and I could 
>>>both agree that perhaps the greatest example of graft, corruption and 
>>>greed in the United States is not to be found among those families 
>>>earning just at or below the poverty line -- but they sure make a hell of 
>>>a target, don't they?
>>>
>>>Take care,
>>>
>>>keely
>>>
>>>
>>>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>>To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Aggressive Audit of Poor Par for Course (Molly 
>>>Ivins)
>>>Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:31:40 -0800
>>>
>>>Keely
>>>
>>>All I have to do is read Molly's routine that turns Miners into demons to 
>>>stop bothering with getting further.  Her standard is to pick somebody 
>>>and dehumanize them while singing a soft song for somebody else.
>>>
>>>MSHA has a dual mission.  They have to do mine inspections, but they also 
>>>are the only ones left who can also carry out the work of the Bureau of 
>>>Mines.  They are not the enemy.
>>>
>>>The coal companies are trying to mine and sell coal to the power industry 
>>>for turning out electrical energy.  They fight to keep costs down so that 
>>>the consumers do not pay higher electric bills.  They pay their workforce 
>>>higher wages than most industrial jobs do, for what is a very hazardous 
>>>profession.  They are not the enemy.
>>>
>>>Miner's love their jobs, which is why they work in an industry with such 
>>>high hazards.  Its a job that has a built in culture very different than 
>>>that on the street.  Its why the older miners would give their self 
>>>rescuers to keep the young guy alive.  They are not the enemy.
>>>
>>>Not one of the people involved in that tragedy was a stooge.  They were 
>>>all
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>hands who knew the risks and did a job that others find distasteful or 
>>>frightening.  They are not demons from hell, bent on destroying the 
>>>environment or dollar hungry slime balls uncaring about worker safety.  
>>>No doubt Molly typed her report on a computer powered by the coal that 
>>>those men dug, but instead of celebrating their lives and the gift that 
>>>their labor gave her, she terms their culture one of stooges.
>>>
>>>She can never know the generosity of those miners, guys who will give 
>>>their
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>last dollar to worthy causes with nothing more than a shrug.  She will 
>>>never be as close as a team working on a face to any other person she 
>>>knows.  Molly's worse fear is a paper cut on the job, not the clear 
>>>understanding that one day the rock with your name on it is going to get 
>>>you.
>>>
>>>Mine safety is better now than it has ever been and hopefully it will get 
>>>better still.  But mining will always be a risky job, as anything 
>>>involving
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>millions of tons of rock and high explosives and heavy machinery is bound 
>>>to be.  And there will always be men and women who love the work and are 
>>>willing to do it for the resources that you all enjoy.
>>>
>>>Phil Nisbet
>>>Just another stooge I guess, Molly Ivers told me so.
>>>
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