[Vision2020] tony's worries for american women

[Sunil Ramalingam]

Pat,

I thought they were the one of the first civilizations in the world.  Did I 
get that wrong?

If you're going to make arguments based on morality, then you are guilty of 
laziness if you try to blame things on the Cold War.  Or were lies ok in the 
Cold War?  Did that make Hussein's crimes ok because of the Cold War?

Again, were you losing sleep and calling for war against Iraq in the 80s?

Sunil


>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] tony's worries for american women
>Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:25:13 -0800
>
>This is such a lazy argument to try for because in the 80's we were still 
>in
>the cold war mentality and you know that. Our relationships with countries
>change just as they do with other countries. Who would have thought in 1941
>that we would ever be friends with Japan. But, we are. And we can be 
>friends
>with Iraq or any other country in the middle east if they change and become
>civilized.
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:44 AM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] tony's worries for american women
>
>
>Pat,
>
>In the Eighties when we were providing Hussein with military materials and
>intelligence in his war against Iran; when we were falsely claiming that
>Iran was using gas against Iraq, instead of holding Iraq responsible for
>those crimes; were you losing sleep then?  Were you supporting war against
>Iraq then?
>
>Sunil
>
>
> >From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> >To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] tony's worries for american women
> >Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:45:33 -0800
> >
> >I guess you do not know about Saddams two sons using the local elementary
> >school for sexual foder with 12 year olds. Or all the other rapes, 
>sodomies
> >or other assorted activities by any man in Iraq??  He put people in
> >shredders in front of the family to keep control. AND it all happened 
>with
> >no and I mean no opportunity for any justice. We have a soldier do it and
> >he
> >is in jail. You may not see a difference but I do a major one. I am aware
> >that all that stuff wasn't bothering too many people here but it was 
>making
> >me loose sleep at night. The terrioist move people, women children men 
>they
> >don't care into the line of fire and they keep them there. Our troops do
> >the
> >best they can but it isn't easy. We are not to blame for every death in
> >Iraq. And just so you know I see far more likeness to WWII than Vietnam
> >except that there are a bunch of whiners who do not understand what it
> >means
> >to stand the course.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Bookpeople of Moscow" <Bookpeople at moscow.com>
> >To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:14 AM
> >Subject: [Vision2020] tony's worries for american women
> >
> >
> >tony you would be more credible if you had any worry or regeard for the
> >tens
> >of thousands of iraqi women who are dying in iraq because of george bush.
> >iraq like vietnam  is a case where the american govt said we know better
> >than you to another group of people and we're going to make you do it our
> >way.
> >forget you fascination with bill clinton. its time to move on to reality.
> >its 2006 not 1996.george bush is president and there is no credibility to
> >the us govt either at home or abroad.and its all bush's fault.
> >
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