[Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer, Innocent Girls, Strong Women
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Sat Dec 9 20:06:02 PST 2006
Thank you!
J :]
>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer, Innocent Girls, Strong Women
>Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 19:31:38 -0800
>
>Also, just to put it in perspective...
>
>On the one hand you have a dubious foundation for an extremely expensive
>war that has divided our country and that has laid the foundation for the
>erosion of our civil liberties. Not to mention hundreds of billions in
>cost and thousands of lives taken (ours and theirs) and who knows how many
>lives affected in an extended way (such as injuries, deaths of loved ones,
>etc).
>
>On the other you have... sex. Consentual sex.
>
>I don't care who is screwing who, as long as the people at the top are
>trying to look out for my best interests. Why did our President, who is
>supposed to be a representative of the people who is taking on a burden in
>exchange for doing some good for the country, become a spiritual leader?
>
>Paul
>
>keely emerinemix wrote:
>
>>I have great pity for Monica Lewinsky, but she wasn't spirited off a farm
>>in the remote reaches of Latvia, complete with chloroform hankie and
>>blinders, by jackbooted Secret Servicemen on Operation Gullible Girl. A
>>woman who would flash her thong at the Prez isn't some innocent
>>uber-virgin caught up in her first trip to the big city, confused by the
>>itinerary for the AWANA finals and the Deb Courtship Social.
>>
>>Further, I don't see the expediency behind Hillary's decision to stay with
>>Clinton. She has caught and is catching hell from both her enemies and
>>her allies, and no one would argue that Hillary isn't smart enough to find
>>success. At worse, she'd be seen as the world's most powerful displaced
>>homemaker; at best, an Ivy-league educated lawyer and political genius
>>with a name and income of her own.
>>
>>It's not like she'd just be a failed oilman/baseball team owner/Harvard
>>legacy admission dilettante or anything . . .
>>
>>One other thing, Tony: my morals weren't formed in the 60s, the end of
>>which found me in the fourth grade, but by a life whose first half saw
>>enough to welcome the perspective offered by the second.
>>
>>keely
>>
>>keely
>>
>>
>>From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>>To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>>CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer Swarmed in Hanoi
>>Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 18:09:40 -0800
>>
>>Keely, according to you, Monica Lewinski was not a victim of abuse at
>>Clinton's hands. Pause for a moment and try to imagine Monica's
>>grandchildren reading grandma's obit some 60 years from now. How do you
>>think this woman will be remembered by history? She will forever be the
>>accommodating humidor in the red dress. Forever humiliated just so
>>Clinton could get his rocks off. He was a chronologically mature man in a
>>position of power who violated his public trust by responding
>>inappropriately to the immature and personally tragic advances of an
>>immature youngster - a youngster who will pay for the rest of her life at
>>the hands of a snickering society.
>>
>>Just so President Bubba could...........
>>
>>You bizarrely accuse republicans of being fixated on sex, but Keely, I
>>believe Clinton and his entire party, which exonerated him, were
>>DEMOCRATS. It is you self absorbed sixties brats who are fixated my dear.
>>
>>And please don't insult the communities intelligence. Hillary stayed in
>>that relationship for ONE REASON: political expediency. The Clintons are
>>about as pro family as Larry Flint.
>>
>>Try creamer in your coffee.
>>
>>-T
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>>To: <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:18 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer Swarmed in Hanoi
>>
>>
>>>I voted for Clinton both times, well aware that Ms. Lewinsky was not a
>>>victim of abuse. Stupidity, yes. Sin, uh-huh. But abuse? Nope.
>>>Further, I voted for him while wanting to slap him silly for acting like
>>>a knuckle-dragging lech.
>>>
>>>I believe, Tony, that most men in power have glaring, if not altogether
>>>obvious, faults. This is no less tragic for being true, and yet the
>>>Republican Party's four-year fixation on sexual sins and the resulting
>>>cost to the nation of said fixation certainly doesn't earn them a moral
>>>pass. Each woman, each man, is responsible to God for their conduct.
>>>However, certain areas of bad conduct are less dangerous to the nation
>>>than others, and the idea that Bill Clinton introduced adultery to the
>>>Presidency is ludicrous.
>>>
>>>By the way, Hillary Clinton chose to forgive her husband and stay in a
>>>marriage that most would find absolutely unworkable -- please let me know
>>>how it is that I missed the accolades showered on her by the "pro-family"
>>>crowd. Keeping the family intact, raising a relatively trouble-free
>>>daughter, seeking pastoral counsel and, I hope, exercising repentance and
>>>forgiveness seem to be things the religious right would embrace. Or did
>>>I add a shot of naive to my morning coffee????
>>>
>>>keely
>>>
>>>
>>>From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>>>To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>>>CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer Swarmed in Hanoi
>>>Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 07:05:30 -0800
>>>
>>>Glad to have you acknowledge Clinton's moral bankrupsy Keely. Do
>>>remember though, that millions were not spent to investigate his abuse of
>>>a long list of woman, but rather to determine if the degenerate was
>>>committing felony perjury in reference to it. He was.
>>>I'm curious.... did you vote for Bubba the second time around even though
>>>you were aware of his abuse of woman?
>>>
>>>Intrigued, -T
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>>>To: <tonytime at clearwire.net>; <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>;
>>><vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 8:29 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer Swarmed in Hanoi
>>>
>>>
>>>>For the record, I believe that marriage vows are of the utmost
>>>>importance. I don't believe, however, that millions of dollars should
>>>>have been spent investigating what surely isn't the only instance of
>>>>adultery -- and once again, I'm against adultery -- by a President.
>>>>
>>>>keely
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>>>>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer Swarmed in Hanoi
>>>>Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 20:19:32 -0800
>>>>
>>>>J, your response to my criticism of Bill Clinton's adultery is just
>>>>plain
>>>>sick. Why are you and Keely so glib about Clinton's decision to break
>>>>the
>>>>vows he took to his wife before God? Why does his commission of a
>>>>felony
>>>>cause you no concern? How would you feel had your husband done the
>>>>same?
>>>>Have you no grasp of right and wrong?
>>>>
>>>>Fascinating!
>>>>
>>>>-T
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>>>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 12:31 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer Swarmed in Hanoi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Ah yes, but giving Tony that kind of "action" would only encourage
>>>>his
>>>> > bloated-sense-of-self-worth-to-women a big, em, thrust.
>>>> >
>>>> > 'Course, no one said anything about it having to be a women that does
>>>> >
>>>>the
>>>> > deed...could be an intern that accommodates his more baser needs,
>>>>which
>>>>he
>>>> > continues to express he has, here on the list.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > J :]
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>At the risk of being terribly crude and thus offending some of you,
>>>>Tony's
>>>> >>comments remind me of a T-shirt about our president that I saw in a
>>>> >>catalog
>>>> >>recently --
>>>> >>
>>>> >>"Will someone please give this guy a blowjob so we can impeach
>>>>him???"
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Blushing, but wondering how much shipping and handling would be,
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>>>> >>To: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
>>>> >>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer Swarmed in Hanoi
>>>> >>Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:38:37 -0800
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Nick, in response to your question about where George bush will be
>>>>swarmed
>>>> >>by admirers: He will be welcomed anywhere men and woman of character
>>>> >>are
>>>> >>valued. Clinton was NOT a man of good character. He boffed an
>>>>intern,
>>>> >>making a mockery of his marriage and then committed felony perjury
>>>> >>afterward. Bush has acted as an honorable gentleman since taking the
>>>>oath
>>>> >>of office -- the assessment of his misguided critics notwithstanding.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Hope that helps with your confusion.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Merry Christmas, -T
>>>> >>----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
>>>> >>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> >>Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:42 AM
>>>> >>Subject: [Vision2020] Clinton Swarmed in Hanoi
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Greetings:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Someone on this list predicted that Bush would be swarmed
>>>>whereever
>>>>men
>>>> >>of
>>>> >> > character are admired. I would like to know where that foreign >>
>>>> > place
>>>> >> > would be?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Nick Gier
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Admirers Swarm Former Clinton in Hanoi
>>>> >> > Wednesday, December 6, 2006 8:08 AM EST
>>>> >> > The Associated Press
>>>> >> > By BEN STOCKING
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > HANOI, Vietnam (AP) â?" Former President Clinton was swarmed for
>>>> >>autographs,
>>>> >> > handshakes and photographs on the streets of Hanoi Wednesday by
>>>>throngs
>>>> >>of
>>>> >> > admirers whose warm welcome contrasted sharply with the restrained
>>>> >> > reception given President Bush last month.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Clinton, in town to sign an agreement between his foundation and
>>>>the
>>>> >> > Vietnamese to get more AIDS drugs to children, left the Hilton
>>>>Hotel
>>>>in
>>>> >> > the center of Hanoi, crossed an intersection buzzing with >> >
>>>>motorbikes,
>>>> >>and
>>>> >> > strolled toward Hoan Kiem Lake, the spiritual heart of the city.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > The United States normalized relations with its former foe under
>>>> >>Clinton,
>>>> >> > who was greeted by adoring crowds when in 2000 he became the first
>>>>U.S.
>>>> >> > president to visit Vietnam since the war ended in 1975.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > "It feels great to be back," Clinton said as he set off for his
>>>>stroll.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > The feeling among most Vietnamese was mutual.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > "I love you!" a young man shouted, reaching over the crowd for a
>>>> >> > handshake.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > "There are no words to describe how happy I am," squealed >> >
>>>>17-year-old
>>>> >> > Nguyen Thu Hang, jumping up and down and clutching Clinton's
>>>>freshly
>>>> >> > signed autograph. "I'm going to frame this and hang it on my
>>>>bedroom
>>>> >> > wall!"
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Bush didn't emerge from inside tight security to mingle with
>>>>crowds
>>>> >>during
>>>> >> > his four-day visit to attend the 21-nation Asia-Pacific Economic
>>>> >> > Cooperation summit.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Outside of official meetings, the president's touring included a
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>>visit
>>>> >>to
>>>> >> > Vietnam's stock exchange, where he struck a gong to open a day of
>>>> >>trading.
>>>> >> > He then met with a group of Vietnamese and American businessmen.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Clinton came to Hanoi to sign an agreement with the Vietnamese
>>>> >>government
>>>> >> > under which his Clinton Foundation will increase the amount of
>>>> >> > pediatric
>>>> >> > drugs it is providing to Vietnamese children living with HIV and
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>>AIDS.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > The foundation provided medicine for 400 children in 2006, but
>>>>plans
>>>>to
>>>> >> > triple the number of children it is helping by the end of 2007.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Followed by Secret Service agents and Vietnamese police, Clinton
>>>> >> > stopped
>>>> >> > along a half-mile route to chat with his Vietnamese admirers
>>>>before
>>>> >>making
>>>> >> > his way to an art gallery in Hanoi's Old Quarter and then to the
>>>> >> > tomb
>>>> >> > of
>>>> >> > Ho Chi Minh, who led Vietnam's communist revolution.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > After he and Health Minister Tran Thi Trung Chien signed the >> >
>>>>pediatric
>>>> >> > AIDS agreement, Clinton took part in a discussion about AIDS with
>>>> >>several
>>>> >> > university students and a young woman living with HIV.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > The Vietnamese government estimates that 260,000 Vietnamese people
>>>>were
>>>> >> > infected with HIV last year, but public health experts think the
>>>>actual
>>>> >> > number is higher. In Vietnam, most infections are linked to
>>>>intravenous
>>>> >> > drug use and unprotected sex for money.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > The Clinton Foundation's activities are being financed by UNITAID,
>>>> >> > an
>>>> >> > organization formed by France and 19 other nations that have >> >
>>>>earmarked
>>>> >> > a
>>>> >> > small portion of their airline tax revenues for HIV/AIDS programs
>>>>in
>>>> >> > developing countries.
>>>> >> >
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