[Vision2020] V2020 Question: RE: Wilsonvile in trouble?

Art Deco deco at moscow.com
Fri Aug 25 11:54:27 PDT 2006


Austin,

An English Composition lesson:

You write: 

"I'm not trying to attack her, I'm trying to diffuse her constant attacks by decrying her as a liar."


The second clause in above sentence (the clause which follows the comma) is a contradiction of the first clause of the sentence.  Decrying someone as a liar is an attack by you whether the allegation used in the attack is true or not.

Is it possible that part of your English language training has been injected, not surprisingly, by Master Chris Schlect at NSA?

W.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Austin Storm 
To: Saundra Lund 
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] V2020 Question: RE: Wilsonvile in trouble?


Dear Ms. Lund,

J Ford is Jackie W. I'm not trying to attack her, I'm trying to diffuse her constant attacks by decrying her as a liar.

You are saying that you are disturbed that so many people are accusing her of being someone she is not, and bringing up personal details of this third person? 

If J was Jackie, I would apologize for revealing personal details about her on V2020. Also if Jackie got back on the list and said that J was not her than I would apologize even more profusely for the error. So would Doug F, I'm sure. 

-Austin



On 8/25/06, Saundra Lund < sslund at adelphia.net > wrote: 
  [My apologies in advance if this shows up twice -- the first seems to have 
  disappeared into cyberspace.  SL]

  Visionaries:

  Is it just me, or is anyone else disturbed by the Kirk contingent's newest
  strategy of snarkily trotting out the names of underage children (they
  aren't the parents of) on V2020 to attack V2020 posters? 

  To me, it seems absolutely despicable and inappropriate and downright creepy
  . . . and not just because they've never produced a shred of evidence here
  to support their accusations that J Ford and Jackie Woolf are one and the 
  same.

  I understand that V2020 is an open unmoderated forum and it's something
  we've discussed more than once over the past few years, but this new trend
  of the Kirk's to name/identify children not their own is just about a bridge 
  too far, IMHO.

  This behavior seems particularly loathsome given the Kirk's bloated whining
  right here on V2020 during our recent discussions following the revelations
  of the crimes of two child molesters affiliated with the Kirk.  It was 
  wrong, we were told, to even *discuss* the crimes because it would somehow
  cause harm to the many unnamed victims and their families.

  This seems to me yet another example of the double-standard the Kirk had 
  become infamous for:  Kirk children are more worthy of being protected and
  treated appropriately than are the children of the rest of the community.

  Personally, I *know* God is most unhappy with their tactic (and any 
  religious leader worth his/her salt would offer appropriate counsel
  regarding the error of their ways), but my concern and questions is:  isn't
  there *anything* we can do about this shameful tactic of naming/identifying 
  underage children on V2020 in an attempt to intimidate by these two
  reprobates?


  Saundra Lund
  Moscow, ID

  The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
  nothing.
  - Edmund Burke

  ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.
  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum
  without the express written permission of the author.***** 


  -----Original Message-----
  From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
  On Behalf Of heirdoug at netscape.net
  Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:57 AM
  To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; austinstorm at gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?

  Rememeber Austin,

  You would be correct in saying the J. Ford is in fact not Jackie Woolf. 

  J. Ford would not make her son [name deleted  SL] run the weed wacker at the
  Episcopal Church while she barked orders to him from the sidelines.

  J. Ford, who was all up in arms about Christ Church boys having a boxing 
  match, would never alow her son to learn a manly skill such as boxing at the
  local gym.

  And J. Ford would never be caught dead in a big blue feathery cowboy hat!

  Doug!

  PS. Jackie, all of the checks for demo work that Mike Hoffman wrote to me 
  didn't bounce.




  -----Original Message-----
  From: J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com >
  To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:36:26 -0700
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?

  Again, you attempt to sidetrack the question by attacking the
  questioner.
  Nice try.  Nah, it wasnae, really.

  Forgiveness is not just handed out it is earned - you havenae earned it
  and
  therefore you donnae get it from me.

  See, the question wasnae directed to Dougie's little whipping boys, it
  was
  directed to his cowardness hisself.  Once again, he chooses to let you 
  boys
  take the lead and try to distract people and unfortunately since you
  have,
  you failed.

  Again, Dougie - since the projects you fought - well through Mike
  Hoffman,
  you fought since neither you nor Matt ever bothered to show up to the 
  meetings - the City to gain approval for, projects that they spent a
  great
  deal of City time, money and energy on, are now bust what is your next
  move?

  Wonder what Matt will get for his house now that he's done all that 
  improvement and remodeling.  Hope it wasnae for nothing, Matt.

  Anyone even seen Mike recently?  Bet Avista, Verizon, the contractor
  who's
  machines and supplies just sat for weeks without payment would like to. 

  Let's see, the Red Door, Goodwill, the Silos, Mt. View, N Polk Ext...a
  lot
  of projects and no Mike Hoffman with a check book...hmmmmm.  Hey,
  Dougie-boy
  - can you say "Sucker!"?


  J  :] 

  P.S. sportsboyzinthekirkhood need not reply...you're "bozo-ed"!




  >From: "Austin Storm" < austinstorm at gmail.com>
  >To: "J Ford" < privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
  >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
  >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
  >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:25:03 -0700 
  >
  >J,
  >
  >The best way to get honest answers is to ask honest questions. You
  >alternate
  >between questions that are actually insults and paranoid nonsense.
  Forgive
  >me for being so blunt, but that's how you come across. You seem 
  borderline
  >/obsessed/ with Pastor Wilson, an obsession that leads to conspiracy
  >theories (I'm quite sure he's not rich, for instance.). I'm also sure
  he
  >poses no threat to you... after all, he thinks you are Jackie Woolf who 
  >lives on N. Garfield with her son, Kenyon, and you've denied on
  multiple
  >occassions that you are this person or that you have a son named
  [name deleted  SL]. =P
  >
  >Regards,
  >
  >Austin 
  >
  >On 8/24/06, J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:
  >>
  >>What, you are so much the follower of his you've taken on his duty to 
  >>reply 
  >>to questions directed to him?
  >>
  >>Wow - such dedication, such loyalty,
  >>
  >>such self-depreciation....
  >>
  >>Anyway - Dougie, care to let the community know what yer plans are now 
  >>that
  >>the bottom seems to have fallen out of another one of yer schemes?
  >>
  >>No?  Oh well.....
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>J  :]
  >>
  >>
  >> 
  >>
  >>
  >> >From: "David Williams" <davidwilliams365 at hotmail.com >
  >> >To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
  >> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble? 
  >> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:58:38 -0400
  >> > 
  >> >Why do you even ask??  You'll know anyways, from your sweet vantage
  >>point
  >> >in the bushes.
  >> >
  >> >
  >> >>From: "J Ford" < privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
  >> >>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
  >> >>Subject: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble? 
  >> >>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:20:27 -0700 
  >> >>
  >> >>Hey Dougie-boy, you mega-land/money-grabber-wannabe:
  >> >>
  >> >>Since Michael's project on Mt. View is now on hold indefinitely
  and
  >>YOUR 
  >> >>project is on hold on N Polk Ext. - whatcha gonna do?
  >> >>
  >> >>
  >> >>J  :]
  >> >>
  >> >>_________________________________________________________________ 
  >> >>Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now!
  >> >> http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG 
  >> >>
  >> >>=======================================================
  >> >>  List services made available by First Step Internet,
  >> >>  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. 
  >> >>                http://www.fsr.net
  >> >>           mailto: Vision2020 at moscow.com
  >> >>======================================================= 
  >> >
  >> >
  >>
  >>_________________________________________________________________
  >>Get the new Windows Live Messenger!
  >>
  >> http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&sou
  rce=wlmailtagline
  >>
  >>=======================================================
  >>List services made available by First Step Internet, 
  >>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
  >>                http://www.fsr.net
  >>           mailto: Vision2020 at moscow.com 
  >>=======================================================
  >>
  >
  >
  >
  >--
  >Austin Storm
  >Sky Cow Books
  >P.O. Box 9128 Moscow, Idaho 83843
  >208.596.5752 work | 678.550.5503 fax

  _________________________________________________________________
  All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.  Get a free 90-day
  trial!
  http://www.windowsonecare.com/trial.aspx?sc_cid=msn_hotmail

  =======================================================
  List services made available by First Step Internet,
  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. 
                 http://www.fsr.net
            mailto: Vision2020 at moscow.com
  =======================================================

  =======================================================
  List services made available by First Step Internet,
  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
                 http://www.fsr.net 
            mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
  =======================================================


  =======================================================
  List services made available by First Step Internet, 
  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
                 http://www.fsr.net
            mailto: Vision2020 at moscow.com
  ======================================================= 




-- 
Austin Storm
Sky Cow Books
P.O. Box 9128 Moscow, Idaho 83843
208.596.5752 work | 678.550.5503 fax 


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


=======================================================
 List services made available by First Step Internet, 
 serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.   
               http://www.fsr.net                       
          mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
======================================================= 


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Austin:

An English Composition lesson:

You write: 

"I'm not trying to attack her, I'm trying to diffuse her constant attacks by decrying her as a liar."

The part of the above sentence which follows the comma, is a contradiction of the first clause of the sentence.  Decrying someone as aliar is an attack whehter or not the allegation is true.

Is it possible that part of your English language training comes from Master Chris Schlect at NSA?

W.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Austin Storm 
To: Saundra Lund 
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] V2020 Question: RE: Wilsonvile in trouble?


Dear Ms. Lund,

J Ford is Jackie W. I'm not trying to attack her, I'm trying to diffuse her constant attacks by decrying her as a liar.

You are saying that you are disturbed that so many people are accusing her of being someone she is not, and bringing up personal details of this third person? 

If J was Jackie, I would apologize for revealing personal details about her on V2020. Also if Jackie got back on the list and said that J was not her than I would apologize even more profusely for the error. So would Doug F, I'm sure. 

-Austin



On 8/25/06, Saundra Lund < sslund at adelphia.net > wrote: 
  [My apologies in advance if this shows up twice -- the first seems to have 
  disappeared into cyberspace.  SL]

  Visionaries:

  Is it just me, or is anyone else disturbed by the Kirk contingent's newest
  strategy of snarkily trotting out the names of underage children (they
  aren't the parents of) on V2020 to attack V2020 posters? 

  To me, it seems absolutely despicable and inappropriate and downright creepy
  . . . and not just because they've never produced a shred of evidence here
  to support their accusations that J Ford and Jackie Woolf are one and the 
  same.

  I understand that V2020 is an open unmoderated forum and it's something
  we've discussed more than once over the past few years, but this new trend
  of the Kirk's to name/identify children not their own is just about a bridge 
  too far, IMHO.

  This behavior seems particularly loathsome given the Kirk's bloated whining
  right here on V2020 during our recent discussions following the revelations
  of the crimes of two child molesters affiliated with the Kirk.  It was 
  wrong, we were told, to even *discuss* the crimes because it would somehow
  cause harm to the many unnamed victims and their families.

  This seems to me yet another example of the double-standard the Kirk had 
  become infamous for:  Kirk children are more worthy of being protected and
  treated appropriately than are the children of the rest of the community.

  Personally, I *know* God is most unhappy with their tactic (and any 
  religious leader worth his/her salt would offer appropriate counsel
  regarding the error of their ways), but my concern and questions is:  isn't
  there *anything* we can do about this shameful tactic of naming/identifying 
  underage children on V2020 in an attempt to intimidate by these two
  reprobates?


  Saundra Lund
  Moscow, ID

  The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
  nothing.
  - Edmund Burke

  ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.
  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum
  without the express written permission of the author.***** 


  -----Original Message-----
  From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
  On Behalf Of heirdoug at netscape.net
  Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:57 AM
  To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; austinstorm at gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?

  Rememeber Austin,

  You would be correct in saying the J. Ford is in fact not Jackie Woolf. 

  J. Ford would not make her son [name deleted  SL] run the weed wacker at the
  Episcopal Church while she barked orders to him from the sidelines.

  J. Ford, who was all up in arms about Christ Church boys having a boxing 
  match, would never alow her son to learn a manly skill such as boxing at the
  local gym.

  And J. Ford would never be caught dead in a big blue feathery cowboy hat!

  Doug!

  PS. Jackie, all of the checks for demo work that Mike Hoffman wrote to me 
  didn't bounce.




  -----Original Message-----
  From: J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com >
  To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:36:26 -0700
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?

  Again, you attempt to sidetrack the question by attacking the
  questioner.
  Nice try.  Nah, it wasnae, really.

  Forgiveness is not just handed out it is earned - you havenae earned it
  and
  therefore you donnae get it from me.

  See, the question wasnae directed to Dougie's little whipping boys, it
  was
  directed to his cowardness hisself.  Once again, he chooses to let you 
  boys
  take the lead and try to distract people and unfortunately since you
  have,
  you failed.

  Again, Dougie - since the projects you fought - well through Mike
  Hoffman,
  you fought since neither you nor Matt ever bothered to show up to the 
  meetings - the City to gain approval for, projects that they spent a
  great
  deal of City time, money and energy on, are now bust what is your next
  move?

  Wonder what Matt will get for his house now that he's done all that 
  improvement and remodeling.  Hope it wasnae for nothing, Matt.

  Anyone even seen Mike recently?  Bet Avista, Verizon, the contractor
  who's
  machines and supplies just sat for weeks without payment would like to. 

  Let's see, the Red Door, Goodwill, the Silos, Mt. View, N Polk Ext...a
  lot
  of projects and no Mike Hoffman with a check book...hmmmmm.  Hey,
  Dougie-boy
  - can you say "Sucker!"?


  J  :] 

  P.S. sportsboyzinthekirkhood need not reply...you're "bozo-ed"!




  >From: "Austin Storm" < austinstorm at gmail.com>
  >To: "J Ford" < privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
  >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
  >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
  >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:25:03 -0700 
  >
  >J,
  >
  >The best way to get honest answers is to ask honest questions. You
  >alternate
  >between questions that are actually insults and paranoid nonsense.
  Forgive
  >me for being so blunt, but that's how you come across. You seem 
  borderline
  >/obsessed/ with Pastor Wilson, an obsession that leads to conspiracy
  >theories (I'm quite sure he's not rich, for instance.). I'm also sure
  he
  >poses no threat to you... after all, he thinks you are Jackie Woolf who 
  >lives on N. Garfield with her son, Kenyon, and you've denied on
  multiple
  >occassions that you are this person or that you have a son named
  [name deleted  SL]. =P
  >
  >Regards,
  >
  >Austin 
  >
  >On 8/24/06, J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:
  >>
  >>What, you are so much the follower of his you've taken on his duty to 
  >>reply 
  >>to questions directed to him?
  >>
  >>Wow - such dedication, such loyalty,
  >>
  >>such self-depreciation....
  >>
  >>Anyway - Dougie, care to let the community know what yer plans are now 
  >>that
  >>the bottom seems to have fallen out of another one of yer schemes?
  >>
  >>No?  Oh well.....
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>J  :]
  >>
  >>
  >> 
  >>
  >>
  >> >From: "David Williams" <davidwilliams365 at hotmail.com >
  >> >To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
  >> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble? 
  >> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:58:38 -0400
  >> > 
  >> >Why do you even ask??  You'll know anyways, from your sweet vantage
  >>point
  >> >in the bushes.
  >> >
  >> >
  >> >>From: "J Ford" < privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
  >> >>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
  >> >>Subject: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble? 
  >> >>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:20:27 -0700 
  >> >>
  >> >>Hey Dougie-boy, you mega-land/money-grabber-wannabe:
  >> >>
  >> >>Since Michael's project on Mt. View is now on hold indefinitely
  and
  >>YOUR 
  >> >>project is on hold on N Polk Ext. - whatcha gonna do?
  >> >>
  >> >>
  >> >>J  :]
  >> >>
  >> >>_________________________________________________________________ 
  >> >>Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now!
  >> >> http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG 
  >> >>
  >> >>=======================================================
  >> >>  List services made available by First Step Internet,
  >> >>  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. 
  >> >>                http://www.fsr.net
  >> >>           mailto: Vision2020 at moscow.com
  >> >>======================================================= 
  >> >
  >> >
  >>
  >>_________________________________________________________________
  >>Get the new Windows Live Messenger!
  >>
  >> http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&sou
  rce=wlmailtagline
  >>
  >>=======================================================
  >>List services made available by First Step Internet, 
  >>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
  >>                http://www.fsr.net
  >>           mailto: Vision2020 at moscow.com 
  >>=======================================================
  >>
  >
  >
  >
  >--
  >Austin Storm
  >Sky Cow Books
  >P.O. Box 9128 Moscow, Idaho 83843
  >208.596.5752 work | 678.550.5503 fax

  _________________________________________________________________
  All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.  Get a free 90-day
  trial!
  http://www.windowsonecare.com/trial.aspx?sc_cid=msn_hotmail

  =======================================================
  List services made available by First Step Internet,
  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. 
                 http://www.fsr.net
            mailto: Vision2020 at moscow.com
  =======================================================

  =======================================================
  List services made available by First Step Internet,
  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
                 http://www.fsr.net 
            mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
  =======================================================


  =======================================================
  List services made available by First Step Internet, 
  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
                 http://www.fsr.net
            mailto: Vision2020 at moscow.com
  ======================================================= 




-- 
Austin Storm
Sky Cow Books
P.O. Box 9128 Moscow, Idaho 83843
208.596.5752 work | 678.550.5503 fax 


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


=======================================================
 List services made available by First Step Internet, 
 serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.   
               http://www.fsr.net                       
          mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
======================================================= 


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Austin:

An English Composition lesson:

You write: 

"I'm not trying to attack her, I'm trying to diffuse her constant attacks by decrying her as a liar."

The part of the above sentence which follows the comma, is a contradiction of the first clause of the sentence.  Decrying someone as aliar is an attack whehter or not the allegation is true.

Is it possible that part of your English language training comes from Master Chris Schlect at NSA?

W.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Austin Storm 
To: Saundra Lund 
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] V2020 Question: RE: Wilsonvile in trouble?


Dear Ms. Lund,

J Ford is Jackie W. I'm not trying to attack her, I'm trying to diffuse her constant attacks by decrying her as a liar.

You are saying that you are disturbed that so many people are accusing her of being someone she is not, and bringing up personal details of this third person? 

If J was Jackie, I would apologize for revealing personal details about her on V2020. Also if Jackie got back on the list and said that J was not her than I would apologize even more profusely for the error. So would Doug F, I'm sure. 

-Austin



On 8/25/06, Saundra Lund < sslund at adelphia.net > wrote: 
  [My apologies in advance if this shows up twice -- the first seems to have 
  disappeared into cyberspace.  SL]

  Visionaries:

  Is it just me, or is anyone else disturbed by the Kirk contingent's newest
  strategy of snarkily trotting out the names of underage children (they
  aren't the parents of) on V2020 to attack V2020 posters? 

  To me, it seems absolutely despicable and inappropriate and downright creepy
  . . . and not just because they've never produced a shred of evidence here
  to support their accusations that J Ford and Jackie Woolf are one and the 
  same.

  I understand that V2020 is an open unmoderated forum and it's something
  we've discussed more than once over the past few years, but this new trend
  of the Kirk's to name/identify children not their own is just about a bridge 
  too far, IMHO.

  This behavior seems particularly loathsome given the Kirk's bloated whining
  right here on V2020 during our recent discussions following the revelations
  of the crimes of two child molesters affiliated with the Kirk.  It was 
  wrong, we were told, to even *discuss* the crimes because it would somehow
  cause harm to the many unnamed victims and their families.

  This seems to me yet another example of the double-standard the Kirk had 
  become infamous for:  Kirk children are more worthy of being protected and
  treated appropriately than are the children of the rest of the community.

  Personally, I *know* God is most unhappy with their tactic (and any 
  religious leader worth his/her salt would offer appropriate counsel
  regarding the error of their ways), but my concern and questions is:  isn't
  there *anything* we can do about this shameful tactic of naming/identifying 
  underage children on V2020 in an attempt to intimidate by these two
  reprobates?


  Saundra Lund
  Moscow, ID

  The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
  nothing.
  - Edmund Burke

  ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.
  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum
  without the express written permission of the author.***** 


  -----Original Message-----
  From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
  On Behalf Of heirdoug at netscape.net
  Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:57 AM
  To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; austinstorm at gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?

  Rememeber Austin,

  You would be correct in saying the J. Ford is in fact not Jackie Woolf. 

  J. Ford would not make her son [name deleted  SL] run the weed wacker at the
  Episcopal Church while she barked orders to him from the sidelines.

  J. Ford, who was all up in arms about Christ Church boys having a boxing 
  match, would never alow her son to learn a manly skill such as boxing at the
  local gym.

  And J. Ford would never be caught dead in a big blue feathery cowboy hat!

  Doug!

  PS. Jackie, all of the checks for demo work that Mike Hoffman wrote to me 
  didn't bounce.




  -----Original Message-----
  From: J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com >
  To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:36:26 -0700
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?

  Again, you attempt to sidetrack the question by attacking the
  questioner.
  Nice try.  Nah, it wasnae, really.

  Forgiveness is not just handed out it is earned - you havenae earned it
  and
  therefore you donnae get it from me.

  See, the question wasnae directed to Dougie's little whipping boys, it
  was
  directed to his cowardness hisself.  Once again, he chooses to let you 
  boys
  take the lead and try to distract people and unfortunately since you
  have,
  you failed.

  Again, Dougie - since the projects you fought - well through Mike
  Hoffman,
  you fought since neither you nor Matt ever bothered to show up to the 
  meetings - the City to gain approval for, projects that they spent a
  great
  deal of City time, money and energy on, are now bust what is your next
  move?

  Wonder what Matt will get for his house now that he's done all that 
  improvement and remodeling.  Hope it wasnae for nothing, Matt.

  Anyone even seen Mike recently?  Bet Avista, Verizon, the contractor
  who's
  machines and supplies just sat for weeks without payment would like to. 

  Let's see, the Red Door, Goodwill, the Silos, Mt. View, N Polk Ext...a
  lot
  of projects and no Mike Hoffman with a check book...hmmmmm.  Hey,
  Dougie-boy
  - can you say "Sucker!"?


  J  :] 

  P.S. sportsboyzinthekirkhood need not reply...you're "bozo-ed"!




  >From: "Austin Storm" < austinstorm at gmail.com>
  >To: "J Ford" < privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
  >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
  >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
  >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:25:03 -0700 
  >
  >J,
  >
  >The best way to get honest answers is to ask honest questions. You
  >alternate
  >between questions that are actually insults and paranoid nonsense.
  Forgive
  >me for being so blunt, but that's how you come across. You seem 
  borderline
  >/obsessed/ with Pastor Wilson, an obsession that leads to conspiracy
  >theories (I'm quite sure he's not rich, for instance.). I'm also sure
  he
  >poses no threat to you... after all, he thinks you are Jackie Woolf who 
  >lives on N. Garfield with her son, Kenyon, and you've denied on
  multiple
  >occassions that you are this person or that you have a son named
  [name deleted  SL]. =P
  >
  >Regards,
  >
  >Austin 
  >
  >On 8/24/06, J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:
  >>
  >>What, you are so much the follower of his you've taken on his duty to 
  >>reply 
  >>to questions directed to him?
  >>
  >>Wow - such dedication, such loyalty,
  >>
  >>such self-depreciation....
  >>
  >>Anyway - Dougie, care to let the community know what yer plans are now 
  >>that
  >>the bottom seems to have fallen out of another one of yer schemes?
  >>
  >>No?  Oh well.....
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>J  :]
  >>
  >>
  >> 
  >>
  >>
  >> >From: "David Williams" <davidwilliams365 at hotmail.com >
  >> >To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
  >> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble? 
  >> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:58:38 -0400
  >> > 
  >> >Why do you even ask??  You'll know anyways, from your sweet vantage
  >>point
  >> >in the bushes.
  >> >
  >> >
  >> >>From: "J Ford" < privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
  >> >>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
  >> >>Subject: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble? 
  >> >>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:20:27 -0700 
  >> >>
  >> >>Hey Dougie-boy, you mega-land/money-grabber-wannabe:
  >> >>
  >> >>Since Michael's project on Mt. View is now on hold indefinitely
  and
  >>YOUR 
  >> >>project is on hold on N Polk Ext. - whatcha gonna do?
  >> >>
  >> >>
  >> >>J  :]
  >> >>
  >> >>_________________________________________________________________ 
  >> >>Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now!
  >> >> http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG 
  >> >>
  >> >>=======================================================
  >> >>  List services made available by First Step Internet,
  >> >>  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. 
  >> >>                http://www.fsr.net
  >> >>           mailto: Vision2020 at moscow.com
  >> >>======================================================= 
  >> >
  >> >
  >>
  >>_________________________________________________________________
  >>Get the new Windows Live Messenger!
  >>
  >> http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&sou
  rce=wlmailtagline
  >>
  >>=======================================================
  >>List services made available by First Step Internet, 
  >>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
  >>                http://www.fsr.net
  >>           mailto: Vision2020 at moscow.com 
  >>=======================================================
  >>
  >
  >
  >
  >--
  >Austin Storm
  >Sky Cow Books
  >P.O. Box 9128 Moscow, Idaho 83843
  >208.596.5752 work | 678.550.5503 fax

  _________________________________________________________________
  All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.  Get a free 90-day
  trial!
  http://www.windowsonecare.com/trial.aspx?sc_cid=msn_hotmail

  =======================================================
  List services made available by First Step Internet,
  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. 
                 http://www.fsr.net
            mailto: Vision2020 at moscow.com
  =======================================================

  =======================================================
  List services made available by First Step Internet,
  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
                 http://www.fsr.net 
            mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
  =======================================================


  =======================================================
  List services made available by First Step Internet, 
  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
                 http://www.fsr.net
            mailto: Vision2020 at moscow.com
  ======================================================= 




-- 
Austin Storm
Sky Cow Books
P.O. Box 9128 Moscow, Idaho 83843
208.596.5752 work | 678.550.5503 fax 


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


=======================================================
 List services made available by First Step Internet, 
 serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.   
               http://www.fsr.net                       
          mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
======================================================= 
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20060825/0876dc10/attachment-0001.htm 


More information about the Vision2020 mailing list