[Vision2020] immigration: activists

Wed Apr 12 21:11:49 PDT 2006

No, Matt, I don't think you're a racist because you want them "kept out," 
but I say that with the assumption that if these were English-speaking white 
folks immigrating to the U.S. from, say, the mythical country of 
Anglolandia, you'd be equally opposed to their undocumented arrival.  And if 
I read anything from you decrying "their" culture, skin color, habits, 
families, etc., I'd have to conclude that you're a racist.  I have not read 
those things.

The irony here is that while most on the list think I'm terribly liberal on 
this issue, whether that's a good thing or not, my mother thinks I'm a 
conservative bigot for questioning her involvement in Humane Borders, a 
group that fills desert water towers and packs backpacks with supplies for 
border crossers.  I don't happen to think it's wise to give people a sense 
that there's water in the desert because it tends to result in their 
minimizing the dangers of crossing -- but she wants to save lives and so do 
I; we just have different approaches.  I don't think she's nuts, and I don't 
think anybody could reasonably conclude that I've gone all Dittohead on this 
one.

But, as we say in my circle of friends, "asi es la vida" -- that's life!

keely

From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
To: chapandmaize at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] immigration: activists
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:43:15 -0700

All,

What the heck is going on in our country? Millions of people have illegally 
migrated over seas and boarders and set foot into the US, some with evil 
intentions, most with valid and good willed hopes. Yet most on this site and 
some in the real world(Joke don't take it the wrong way Tom)) try to divert 
this topic into a racial issue. It is not about race but more about illegal 
immigrants. Again illegal is the real word. Why has everything turned into 
an excuse with no one willing to except blaim? These people, again not 
always Mexican, but illegal, come into our nation and when a bill is in 
session talking about illegal rights/no rights, they scream racism. Racist? 
What about law breaking.

Look I'm all for giving the 11-12 million illegals the right to citizenship, 
with the proper background checks. I however, think we should do so after 
our North and South border are secured. Giving asylum now will only insure 
another 12 Mill within 5 years. Moreover, doing so will raise the eyebrow of 
the enemy, the liberals, oops I meant Al Queda(spelling), making it easier 
to terrorize the US.

By the way a side note. Do you realize how quick 4 force recon Marine teams 
or Navy Seal team terrorizing isolated places in the US would cripple the 
economy? What do you think 4 highly trained Al Queda teams running around in 
the dark choping heads off would do? Conspiracy theory? Maybe. But I 
rememeber telling everyone around 2000 that we will be attacked and soon. 
With our borders wide open the chances are better of a repeat of 2001 or 
similiar attacks in Israel or Iraq.

We must close our borders period. Sure lets make it so that immigrants 
wanting to get in legally can do so. Only with the proper checks, not just 
at free will.The point though is to keep the things we don't want in the US 
out. How the the hell can we do that with Border security smaller than the 
population of Moscow, according to James.

With all of that said, am I a racist Keely or Mylinda for saying that 
Illegals should be kept out?

Anyways cheers yall
Matt

>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] immigration: activists
>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:45:34 -0700
>
>One thing I will note as a positive concerning the demonstrations held by 
>the pro immigration groups is that they had the guts to do it. I have much 
>more respect for the illegal immigrants after viewing their abilitiy to 
>stand up for their convictions. Eventually even us pastey-assed whimpy 
>American citizens will have to stand up for ourselves. We should pay 
>attention to our Mexican neighbors to remind ourselves how to do it.
>
>I still think the matter of homeland defense is the issue that should be 
>resolved. But now that issue is lost because someone without a lick of 
>sense decided that the issue of border security and controlling who comes 
>into the country is an issue of immigration. How can anyone think to spend 
>umpteen billion dollars on the war against terrorism, wire tap our own 
>citizens, make us take our shoes off at the airport and then leave our 
>borders wide open for anyone to bring anything into the country? Our 
>borders and our ports both need to be secured in order for any of the 
>homeland security multi billion dollar measures to make sense. We can have 
>all of the immagrants in the world pile into our country as long as we get 
>a look at them and what they are bringing first. We currently have 54,000 
>police officers in NY City alone and only 12,000 total border security 
>gaurds. This is the kind of dizzy little swan dive that always makes me 
>want to puke on the Democratic party. And what makes me want to puke on the 
>Republican party is their need to punish everyone. We are a messed up 
>conglomeration of idiots and that is the truth.
>
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