[Vision2020] Of Deltas and CO2

[Pat Kraut]

Perhaps some of the newer citizens don't know this but Dworshak actually had
a crack in it that I believe has been fixed. I can assure you that it was
something that prompted a lot of planning and thought on all of us. Yes, it
could happen. An earthquake and it would be one huge wall of water coming
down that canyon that would clear everything in its path. As I remember the
talk at that time the wall would go at least half way to Portland. But,
plans were made and I don't think they would lose them. If they are updated
I don't know. But then I don't live in Lewiston and rarely go down there.
If I did live there I would certainly check it out.
PK


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kit Craine" <kcraine at moscow.com>
To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
Cc: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Of Deltas and CO2


However, imagine Dworsak (or however its spelled) beginning to bulge.
There’s just enough time to evacuate maybe 10,000 people up the
hill--to Moscow. Then, the dam breaks! Lewiston, Clarkston, Lapwai,
Orofino, and may other towns in the canyons are wiped out!

Of course, the levees do no good. We just lose a chunk of our place and
a few people.

Moving right along, to the next topic.

Kit Craine


On Sep 8, 2005, at 4:45 PM, Pat Kraut wrote:

> No wonder I feel sometimes that I am missing part of the conversation!
> I just checked my postini account at FSR and there were some emails
> there of which this is one.
> Lewiston and Clarkston do not get hurricanes. The ocean is a few miles
> away. The entire area is not deteriorating the levees are not in
> danger of breaking. Not the same thing.
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Sunil Ramalingam
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 1:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Of Deltas and CO2
>
>
> Should we get rid of the levees in Lewiston and Clarkston?
>
> Sunil
>
>  From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Of Deltas and CO2
> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:12:53 -0700
>
>
> I do not want us to repair any more levees. Something is terribly
> wrong when you can stand on a street and see ships go by above you!
> This is an opportunity for the area to move back and let the ocean
> have its land back. Just how much money do you think it would take to
> 'study' it one more time. Just how much do we spend to 'save' New
> Orleans?? It really isn't that 'special' a city! It is time to go a
> totally different direction.
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Tom Hansen
> To: 'Andreas Schou' ; 'Pat Kraut'
> Cc: 'vision2020'
> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 6:12 AM
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Of Deltas and CO2
>
>
> I am with you 100%, Andreas.
>
>
>
> Under our current president, FEMA was relegated to being a sub-agency
> within Homeland Security, thus drastically reducing its budget.
>
>
>
> And who does Bush appoint as Under Secretary of Homeland Security for
> Emergency Preparedness and Response (FEMA)?
>
>
>
> Michael D. Brown, a former Colorado and Oklahoma attorney and former
> bar examiner on ethics and professional responsibility for the
> Oklahoma Supreme Court, a person with virtually no experience in
> emergency management. An attorney in charge of our nation’s emergency
> management? He may not be able to solve anything, but he will most
> certainly be able to put some serious spin on his responses to
> questions.
>
>
>
> Ms Kraut stated:
>
>
>
> “Why does everyone want to make the Fed responsible for everything??
> When did they take over?”
>
>
>
> HUH?? What part of “Federal Emergency Management” are you struggling
> with, Ms Kraut?
>
>
>
> FEMA is struggling to identify additional large temporary holding
> facilities (comparable to the Houston Astrodome). This is a simple
> question that should have been addressed a couple years ago when the
> mayor of New Orleans and the governor of Louisiana were seeking
> federal funds to repair the 17th Street levee.
>
>
>
> But then, we wouldn’t want to interrupt George Bush’s vacation with
> something so trivial now, would we?
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom Hansen
>
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
> "If not us, who?
> If not now, when?"
>
> - Unknown
>
>
>
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Schou
> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 8:02 PM
> To: Pat Kraut
> Cc: vision2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Of Deltas and CO2
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/3/05, Pat Kraut <pkraut at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> I disagree! Someone in Louisiana should have told her! Why does
> everyone
> want to make the Fed responsible for everything?? When did they take
> over?
>  The locals could have done whole rescue operation if they had paid
> attention. There is a picture circulating showing the school buses all
> under
> water. The mayor could have confiscated them and sent those people out
> of
> town by force. But, he keeps yelling about the feds not coming in
> time! He
> is just hoping no one asks him too many questions.\
>
>
>
> Pat --
>
>
>
> It is the federal government's responsibility, like it or not, to do
> disaster relief. You can argue about whether or not it should be their
> responsibility later, but the fact is, at the time of Hurricane
> Katrina, it was FEMA's responsibility to handle the evacuation
> planning and then pick up the pieces.
>
>
>
> George W. had put a chronic fuck-up in charge of FEMA who was fired
> from his last job for malfeasance, dismantled their planning office as
> it transitioned to the Department of Homeland Security, sent the
> Louisiana National Guard to search for phantom WMDs in Iraq, cut all
> disaster mitigation funding to the /entire state/ of Louisiana, and
> defunded the levees. It is at his desk that the buck stops, but he and
> his stand-ins are doing their best to blame everybody else: the
> victims, the first responders, the police, the looters. Thisis a
> failure of management at the highest levels: food was dropped in Banda
> Aceh, Indonesia, within /two days/ of the tsunami. Food got to New
> Orleans, LA, /today/, or six days after the hurricane. We are a
> first-world nation. This should not be happening here.
>
>
>
> If I had done this in my work, I would have had my ass canned, and
> then I would have been sued, and for God's sake, they would have been
> right to do it, too. This administration has abdicated any pretense of
> taking responsibility for its
>
>
>
> -- ACS
>
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