[Vision2020] Dale Courtney

[Donovan Arnold]

Tim,

First, let me make clear that I am in no way defending or speaking on behalf 
of Dale Courtney. However, your lack of ability to rationalize your thoughts 
into anything of consistent logic is driving me to the brink of insanity.

Almost everything you say is a contradiction of your previous sentence or 
action. How do you get through the day is beyond my comprehension. Nothing 
you say or do has any logical function. Do you use salt on your eggs because 
you want them peppered? Do you put on a sweater when you are hot and take 
off your socks when cold? I mean no disrespect but this is how I view your 
thinking. Are all of decisions made on emotions and not logic?

Let me give a few examples of what I mean. You attack Dale Courtney because 
he complained about you in a public forum and did not write to you directly. 
Is that not what you did to Christ Church by writing a public letter instead 
of writing them directly? Then you said nobody reads his Blog, but you did, 
so you disproved yourself a second time.

Next, you write, "First, if you disagree with my letter then in a way are 
you not disagreeing with the 1st Amendment?"

No, absolutely not! There is a BIG huge giant difference between disagreeing 
with someone's right to speak versus just disagreeing with the content of 
the speech. This is why the 1st Amendment exists, so we CAN debate the 
content of the speech and come to a just conclusion when all the ideas are 
on the table. How come this fact is beyond your understanding? I can 
disagree with someone's opinion that the red M&M's are better then the green 
ones but still support their right to hold that opinion and express it.

Finally, your research is very narrow and results in very biased 
information. You write,

"Second, do some research on the Kibbie and you will find that it was paid 
for back in the 1970's with student fees and donors.  The donors donated the 
money for use by the students.  To this day the facility is operated on both 
student fees and athletic monies.  So I think ownership is in fact entitled 
to the students."

The Kibbie Dome is supported by public dollars too. Two-thirds of the 
operation costs of the Kibbie Dome are taken from the Idaho State and 
Federal Taxpayers. Revenues made from the Kibbie Dome by renting out the 
facility help keep student fees down. Also, because the Kibbie Dome is owned 
by the ASUI, the renting rules must follow the ASUI Constitution which I 
helped write when I was in student government and on the Rules and 
Regulations committee in charge of that task. That Constitution was voted on 
and ratified by 85% of the voting student population. It also prevents 
denying people from renting the facilities based on religious content or 
political opinion, which is what you are trying to do.

So Tim, by attempting to block Christ Church from using to the Kibbie Dome 
you are violating the ASUI Constitution and the will of 85% of the students 
that passed that rule.

I disagree with the content of Christ Church too. But it is so important 
that we allow them to speak and exercise their rights under the First 
Amendment, which covers the freedom of speech, the freedom of assembly, and 
the freedom to petition the government for grievances. When you deny ANYONE 
these fundamental rights, you are saying that they are not rights at all. 
Saying that the First Amendment rights are not guaranteed to EVERYONE is to 
destroy the right, and destroying the First Amendment is something that is 
worse than anything coming from Christ Church.

Take Care,

Donovan J Arnold
Former ASUI Senator 01-03




>From: Timothy Rigsby <timo5277 at uidaho.edu>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] Dale Courtney
>Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:28:40 -0800
>
>I guess the right is afraid to email someone to provide a suggestion on how
>one should be educated.  Blogs must be an acceptable form of communication 
>for
>the Americans who are more right leaning.  Maybe that explains why nothing 
>appears
>to be getting accomplished in the right leaning Idaho Legislature.  If I 
>were Dale
>Courtney, and I am so glad I am not, I think I would either phone, email, 
>write a
>letter, or even better, post on V2020 my objection to the author of a 
>letter to the
>editor instead of my personal blog that no one reads anyway.
>Here let me provide you with easy access for which you can communicate with
>me directly:         Tim Rigsby
>                      425 Indian Hills Dr
>                      Moscow, ID 83843
>                      208-301-2242
>                      timo5277 at uidaho.edu
>
>So why don't you crawl out from under a rock Dale and communicate directly 
>with me.
>
>First, if you disagree with my letter then in a way are you not disagreeing 
>with
>the 1st Amendment?
>
>Second, do some research on the Kibbie and you will find that it was paid 
>for back in
>the 1970's with student fees and donors.  The donors donated the money for 
>use by the
>students.  To this day the facility is operated on both student fees and
>athletic monies.  So I think ownership is in fact entitled to the students.
>
>Third, annual event, since when?  Doesn't an event have to happen before it
>is considered annual?
>If the Trinity Fest has never taken place then how could one say that it is 
>the
>3rd largest money maker for local businesses.  I work in a local business 
>and I doubt
>we will see any extra profits from this event.  I highly doubt attendees 
>will spend any
>money at the bars, night clubs, Eclectica (although the jumper cable cover 
>on Credenda
>might warrant a visit to a sex shop), Jack in the Box, car dealerships, 
>sporting good
>stores, or even Book People.  The only local businesses that will profit 
>off this event
>will be a few hotels, a couple restaurants, Bucers, Zume, and any other 
>Christ Church
>run business in town.  And if this event is the 3rd largest, what are 
>number 1 and 2?
>
>Fourth, Thanks for the link to the people opposed to government schools.  
>In Idaho,
>only 234 people out of 1,321,006 people in this great state object to
>government schools.  That amounts to only a very very small percentage
>(something like .01% of Idahoans) of individuals who object to government
>schools.  Now should we look at the US?  Sure, out of the 284,796,887 
>people in the
>US only 26,447 object.  Again a small percentage something like .09%.  
>Again, very embarrassing, public schools must be doing something right.
>
>To answer your question on whether or not I will use the Constitution and 
>Bill of
>Rights in my classroom, the answer is, I hope so.  Maybe if you did some 
>checking you
>might have noticed I am a Physical Education Major and a Community Health 
>Major, not
>a Political Science, History, Government, or Law major.  So yeah, I think I 
>can
>INTEGRATE the Bill of Rights and the Constitution into my lessons.  I hope 
>you know
>what INTEGRATE means.
>
>Do us all a favor and check with someone more intelligent than a box of 
>clay before
>you open your mouth, put ink to paper, or sneeze.
>
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