[Vision2020] Kibbie Dome Rates and the Conspiracy theories

[Donovan Arnold]

Saundra,

"So, I ask the question (again):  how/why has the cost of renting the Kibbie
Dome apparently decreased so much in the past five years?"

Well, Saundra, I am very doubtful that Mr. Wilson not using all 17,600 seats 
in the Kibbie Dome, not getting any food or catering services, and proving 
their own insurance has anything to do with the $3,700 dollar difference in 
rates being charged from the Pow Wow and his Trinity event. We know they are 
very similar in content, attendance, and in costs to the University.

So obviously, without having all the facts in front on me or doing any 
investigative work, I must surmise it to be a vast internal UI 
administrative conspiracy being perpetrated by Doug Wilson and his goons by 
using their evil powers to get the $3700 off rental usage of the Kibbie 
Dome.--This is the obvious conclusion of any rational person.

When the UI opens tomorrow, I will attempt to confirm this conspiracy exists 
by looking at all the facts and talking to the people that set the rate for 
Christ Church. I want sure students are getting a reasonable offer on the 
use of the building they bought and own.

Take Care,

Donovan J Arnold



>From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
>To: "'Donovan Arnold'" <donovanarnold at hotmail.com>,<vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] What in the world?
>Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:23:30 -0800
>
>Hi Donovan,
>
>Thanks for sharing your experience.
>
>You wrote:
>  "I do not think that $6,300 for four days use of the Kibbie Dome, 
>including
>all fees, food, and insurance, would be covered or even result in breaking
>even for the University.  So I think your numbers are incorrect."
>
>So sorry, but my figures *are* correct according to the signed contract:
>
>"Facility Rental:		$3000
>Set-up/Load-In:		$1500
>Breakdown:		$1000
>Maintenance/Custodian	$ 800
>___________________________
>TOTAL			$6300"
>
>
>Food, of course, is *not* included in that price -- the conference 
>attendees
>are responsible for that expense, a decision made by which is typical of
>larger conferences, unless it's built into the registration fee (which, in
>this case, would be set and collected by the permittee).  In looking at the
>Trinity Festival's web site, you'll see meals are *not* included .  
>However,
>the contract does provide for the following:
>"5.  FOOD SERVICE:
>
>The University offers meals in the Wallace Food Court:  as described below
>at the indicated cost for all participants staying at the LLC.  Event
>participants who are not staying on campus may also take advantage of a
>complete or partial meal package at a discounted rate from the cash prices
>as outlined below . . .
>Catered Events:
>University Dining Services will open a concession stand on the east
>concourse of the Kibbie Dome for Event participants during the event.
>Estimated expenses . . . shall be provided to Permittee no later than March
>2006."  [sic]
>
>Nor is insurance included -- the State of ID & the Regents of the 
>University
>of Idaho require liability insurance be provided by the permittee for
>"private events/conferences/camps held on campus."
>
>So, I ask the question (again):  how/why has the cost of renting the Kibbie
>Dome apparently decreased so much in the past five years?
>
>
>Saundra Lund
>Moscow, ID
>
>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
>nothing.
>Edmund Burke
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanarnold at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2005 4:32 PM
>To: sslund at adelphia.net; vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] What in the world?
>
>Saundra,
>
>If Christ Church is in fact only paying $6,300 total for four days, you 
>make
>some good points that should raise concern for everyone.  I know when I was
>on the ASUI Activities Board that funded student organizations, they were
>going to charge the Native American Student Association $10,000 to use the
>Kibbie Dome for there Pow Wow.
>
>I was not given the breakdown for the event, how many days, use of 
>facility,
>clean up, food, services, set-up, break down, insurance, etc. I would
>imagine these factors would play a big part in the amount charged.
>
>I do not think that $6,300 for four days use of the Kibbie Dome, including
>all fees, food, and insurance, would be covered or even result in breaking
>even for the University.  So I think your numbers are incorrect. The
>University would have to be charging somewhere else to make up for the loss
>(like food) or some costs and services are being provided by Christ Church
>and not the University.  I would also imagine continued use of the facility
>would lower the costs as well. If you are using it for several days you do
>not need to clean, set up, and break down everyday, just once, lowering 
>your
>per day cost. Also, if the event is open to the public or a closed event 
>can
>impact the costs of operation in the Kibbie Dome. I would imagine 
>insurance,
>liability, and operation costs would differ on an event with 5,000 visitors
>paying $5 or nothing to enter, verses and event with just 500 paying $150 
>to
>get in the door. What would you think?
>
>I will talk to Mark Miller and Greg Tatham, and people with the Activities
>Board to confirm what is being done different from student clubs and
>organizations as opposed to Christ Church. It should not be that difficult
>to find this stuff out.
>
>However, I do know two things for fact. First, they were going to charge 
>the
>Native American Student Association $10,000 for the use of the Kibbie Dome
>in 2000 when I was a board member. I remember that number so clearly 
>because
>the POW WOW was something we funded at North Idaho College and I was mad
>they were being charged that much. The NIC administration gave free use of
>the facilities for the POW WOW there.  And second, we, meaning me and (then
>ASUI Senator) Bob Ubellher got the University to lower the price for 
>student
>groups to use the Kibbie Dome because $10,000 was beyond student reach. I
>have no clue what the charge is now, five years later, or how they break
>down that amount to the renter of the facility.
>If you doubt that the students are charged more than $6,300 to use the
>Kibbie Dome, contact the Loretta Spaulding, President of the Native 
>American
>Student Association and ask her yourself.
>spau3065 at uidaho.edu
>
>Take Care,
>
>Donovan J Arnold
>
>
> >From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
> >To: "'Donovan Arnold'" 
><donovanarnold at hotmail.com>,<vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] What in the world?
> >Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:51:47 -0800
> >
> >Sorry for the delay, but on 3/16/2005, Donavan Arnold wrote:
> >"When I was in the student government (ASUI) at UI, we charged $10,000 
>for
> >non-student organizations to use the ASUI Kibbie Dome. That money raised 
>is
> >used to support the Kibbie Dome and make it cheaper for student 
>activities
> >and events to take place in the Kibbie Dome."
> >
> >Wow, prices must have plummeted since then!  Donavan, do you mind sharing
> >with us when you were in student government and for what period of time
> >that
> >$10,000 rental would have covered?
> >
> >According to the contract, the Christ Church Trinity Festival is paying a
> >mere $3000 to rent the Kibbie Dome for four days (8 AM  8/7 to 8 PM
> >8/10/05), which amounts to only $750 per day.  Even including the
> >associated
> >costs ($1500 set-up/load-in; $1000 breakdown; $800 
>maintenance/custodian),
> >the total facility rental is only $6300, significantly less than what the
> >ASUI charged when you were there.
> >
> >Does anyone have any idea of why the cost has come down so much?
> >
> >Sheesh -- I sure wish (as I'm sure do the students) the costs of other
> >things on campus would have similarly decreased!
> >
> >
> >Saundra Lund
> >Moscow, ID
> >
> >The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> >nothing.
> >Edmund Burke
> >
> >
>
>
>
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