[Spam] Re: [Vision2020] Mark Felt and Andreas Schou comments

[Pat Kraut]

Absolutely! Kennedy told up front that he made a mistake with the Bay of
Pigs and we loved him for it.
PK


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From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
To: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:43 PM
Subject: [Spam] Re: [Vision2020] Mark Felt and Andreas Schou comments


Nixon was his own worst enemy. If he had made a clean breast of it as soon
as the story broke, If would have been forgotten within a week.
-----Original message-----
From: "Phil Nisbet" pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com
Date: Mon,  6 Jun 2005 07:22:38 -0700
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Spam] Re: [Vision2020] Mark Felt and Andreas Schou comments

> Andreas
>
> Interesting analysis.
>
> Thanks for posting the link.  The history I was pointing to was taken from
> the staff reports to the Church committee and they are one heck of a read.
>
> Felt was part of a corrupt organization, but that organization was not the
> Nixon Administration.  The FBI of J Edgar Hoover was built like a secret
> police organization and kept files on everybody.  They had used their
powers
> to dig up dirt and destroy people for years, regardless of who came to
power
> in the USA.  I think its clear that Felt was acting as he had been trained
> through the years to act, in his and the FBI's best interests and not for
> the better interests of the country.  Thats why he could make the
statements
> he did and break in to people's homes even post Watergate.
>
> As for Nixon, he was a warped and corrupt man.  He was also an intellegent
> person with some positions that would be at home in our current national
> discourse.  In all though, I see no reason to attempt to burnish his
> reputation, since his politics are not something supportable by the
> principles of either the right or the left in our society.
>
> Both Nixon and Felt committed acts that made us less free.  Nixon is dead
> and discredited.  Felt will soon be dead and I would hope discredited for
> the same reasons that Nixon was.  Making either of them a hero seems to me
> to be saying to our kids that we think that the ends justify the means and
> that breaking the law and playong dirty tricks on people we disagree with
is
> fine.
>
> On a further note, you stated;
>
> ">This is because "conservatism", as it's currently constituted, didn't
> >really exist during the late 60s and early 1970s other than in the
> >person of Barry Goldwater. Liberal dominance of the national discourse
> >was so absolute that anyone to the right of Nixon was entirely
> >unelectable. Then the Democrats got lazy and corrupt, had a run of bad
> >luck, and began a decline that's only just beginning to halt itself
> >today."
>
> I am not sure that this was the case.  Conservative values were actually
> spread across party lines in those years and it was not uncommon to see
> conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans on the national stage.  The
> GOP has always had its own Progressive wing and it also has its own
> Libertarian wing.
>
> As for Goldwater, I am not sure that he would be too happy about some of
the
> people currently claiming to be part of his legacy.  Barry Goldwater was
not
> a religioous conserative and in his later years was very alarmed at the
> trend in the GOP toward lack of tolerance.  He saw the differences between
> liberalism and conservatism as a divide between those who supported
> individual rights versus those who support rights held as group rights.
It
> is unfortunate that some who claim to currently be conservative are so
> opposed to the rights of the individual and so drawn to collectivist
> politics.  I see no differences between them and ztheir opposing numbers
on
> the opposite side of the divide, save perhaps who they want the groups
> getting benefits to be.
>
> Great discussion in any case and thanks for the informative post.
>
> Phil Nisbet
>
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