[Vision2020] 07 05 05 Ny Times: United Church of ChristBacksSame-Sex Marriage

[Pat Kraut]

Mr Hansen: You are indeed incapable of having a discussion about this. You
have missed the point of my post, probably deliberately. Have fun with the
whole thing.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
To: "'Pat Kraut'" <pkraut at moscow.com>; "'vision2020'"
<vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 6:47 AM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] 07 05 05 Ny Times: United Church of
ChristBacksSame-Sex Marriage


You may be on to something there, Ms. Kraut.

We certainly cannot have our children growing up thinking (or for that
matter, believing) that homosexuals are people with human emotions.

We must identify homosexuals and eliminate them.  It's the moral thing to
do.  Right, Ms. Kraut?

Perhaps another concept we should adapt concerning our children is "Out of
sight, out of mind."  We should purge any and all documents, films, photos,
etc. etc. that depict any of the following homosexuals.  After all, it is
only right.

This list is not all inclusive, just a mere spattering of homosexuals in
history.  You've got to start somewhere.

Right, Ms. Kraut?

     *Macedonian Ruler, 300 B.C.
 Socrates
     *Greek Philosopher, 400 B.C.
 Sappho
     *Greek Woman Poet, 600 B.C.
 Hadrian
     *Roman Emperor, 1st-2nd c.
 Richard the Lionhearted
     *English King, 12th c.
 Saladin
     *Sultan of Egypt and Syria
 Desiderius Erasmus
     *Dutch Monk, Philosopher
 Francis Bacon
     *English statesman, author
 Frederick the Great
     *King of Prussia
 Lord Byron
     *English poet, 18th c.
 Walt Whitman
     *U.S. poet, author, 19th c.
 Oscar Wilde
     *Irish author, 19th c.
 Marcel Proust
     *French author, 20th c.
 Colette
     *French author, 20th c.
 Gertrude Stein
     *U.S. poet, author, 20th c.
 Alice B. Toklas
     *U.S. author, 20th c.
 Federico Garcia Lorca
     *Spanish author, 20th c.
 Cole Porter
     *U.S. composer, 20th c.
 Virginia Woolf
     *English author, 20th c.
Leonard Bernstein
     *U.S. composer, 20th c.
 Pope Julius III
     *1550-1555
 T.E. Lawrence
     *English soldier, author, 20th c.
 Jean Cocteau
     *French writer, director, 20th c.
 Charles Laughton
     *English actor, 20th c.
 Marguerite Yourcenar
     *Belgian author, 20th c.
 Tennessee Williams
     *U.S. Playwright, 20th c.
 James Baldwin
     *U.S. author, 20th c.
 Andy Warhol
     *U.S. artist, 20th c.
 Michelangelo
     *Italian artist, 15th c.
 Leonardo Da Vinci
     *Ital. Artist, scientist, 15th c.
 Christopher Marlowe
     *Eng. Playwright, 16th c.
 Herman Melville
     *U.S. author, 19th c.
 Horatio Alger, Jr.
     *U.S. author, 19th c.
 Tchaikovsky
     *Russian composer, 19th c.
Willa Cather
     *U.S. author, 19th c.
 Amy Lowell
     *U.S. author, 19th & 20th c.
 E.M. Forster
     *English author, 20th c.
 John M. Keynes
     *English economist, 20th c.
 Ludwig Wittgenstein
     *Australian mathematician, 20th c.
 Bessie Smith
     *U.S. singer, 20th c.
 Noel Coward
     *English playwright, 20th c.
 Christopher Isherwood
     *English author, 20th c.
 Pier Paolo Pasolini
     *Italian film director, 20th c.
 Yukio Mishima
     *Japanese author, 20th c.
 Eleanor Roosevelt
     *U.S. stateswoman, 20th c.
 Julius Caesar
     *Roman Emperor, 100-44 B.C.
 Augustus Caesar
     *Roman Emperor
 Harvey Milk
     *U.S. politician, 20th c.
 Bayard Rustin
     *U.S. Civil Rights activist, 20th c.
 James I
     *English King, 16th-17th c.
 Queen Anne
     *English Queen, 18th c.
 Marie Antoinette
     *French Empress, 18th c.
 Melissa Etheridge
     *U.S. Rock Star, 20th c.
 Pope Benedict IX
     *1032-1044
 May Sarton
     *U.S. author, (1912 - 1995)
 Edna Ferber
     *U.S. author, 20th c.
 Elton John
     *English Rock Star, 20th c.
 Margaret Fuller
     *U.S. writer, educator, 20th c.
 Montezuma II
     *Aztec ruler, 16th c.
 Peter the Great
     *Russian Czar, 17th-18th c.
 Langston Hughes
     *U.S. author, 20th c.
 Pope John XII
     *955-964
 Madame de Stael
     *French writer, 17th-18th c.
 Martina Navratilova
     *U.S. tennis star, 20th c.
 Greg Louganis
     *U.S. Olympic swimmer, 20th c.
 Billie Jean King
     *U.S. tennis star, 20th c.
 Roberta Achtenburg
     *U.S. politician, 20th c.
 Barney Frank
     *U.S. Congressman, 20th c.
 Gerry Studds
     *U.S. Congressman, 20th c.
 Hans Christian Andersen
     *Danish author, 19th c.
 Tom Dooley
     *U.S. M.D. missionary, 20th c.
 J. Edgar Hoover
     *U.S. director of the FBI., 20th c.
 Frida Kahlo
     *Mexican artist, 20th c.
 Suleiman the Magnificent
     *Ottoman ruler, 15th c.
 Rock Hudson
     *U.S. actor, 20th c.
 Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
     *Mexican author, 16th c.
 Ralph Waldo Emerson
     *U.S. author, 19th c.
 Candace Gingrich
     *Gay Rights activist, 20th c.
 Margarethe Cammermeyer
     *U.S. Army Colonel, 20th c.
 Zoe Dunning
     *U.S. Military Reservist, 20th c.
 Tom Waddel
     *U.S. M.D., Olympic star, 20th c.
 Kate Millet
     *U.S. author, 20th c.
 Janis Joplin
     *U.S. singer, 20th c.
 Rudolf Nuryev
     *Russian dancer, 20th c.
 Waslaw Nijinsky
     *Russian dancer, 20th c.
 Ernst Röhm
     *German Nazi leader, 20th c.
 Dag Hammerskjold
     *Swedish UN Secretary, 209th c.
 Aristotle
     *Greek philosopher, 384-322 B.C.
 Paula Gunn Allen
     *Native American author, 20th c.
 Angela Davis
     *U.S. political activist, 20th c.
 June Jordan
     *U.S. author, activist, 20th c.
 Rainer Maria Rilke
     *German poet, 20th c.
 James Dean
     *U.S. actor, 20th c.
 Montgomery Clift
     *U.S. actor, 20th c.
 Baron VonSteuben
     *German General, Valley Forge
 Edward II
     *English King, 14th c.

Take care, Moscow.

Tom Hansen


We could learn a lot from crayons: some are sharp, some are pretty, some are
dull, some have weird names, and all are different colors....but they all
exist very nicely in the same box.

-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Pat Kraut
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:54 PM
To: vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 07 05 05 Ny Times: United Church of
ChristBacksSame-Sex Marriage

You truly cannot see the difference...no wonder our kids don't know what
morality is. We are doomed!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Dredge" <sdredge at yahoo.com>
To: "donald toogood" <dtoogood at email.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 07 05 05 Ny Times: United Church of Christ
BacksSame-Sex Marriage


Maybe you didn't understand my comment.  At one point
in this country not so long ago (around 1950), many
states outlawed interracial marriages...something like
38 states banned them.  Some had bans within their
state constitutions.  The reason why I bring this up
is that it is a direct parallel to banning same sex
marriage.

Roughly 60 years ago in this country, interracial
marriages were banned.  A black man marrying a white
woman was illegal.  A white man marrying a black woman
was illegal.  You claim this isn't the same thing as a
man marrying a man or a woman marrying a woman.  Why?
If at one point, there were laws against interracial
marriage and same sex marriage, what's the difference?
 They were both considered illegal marriages.

Married can mean between a man and a woman.  However,
same sex couples in a civil union deserve the exact
same rights as married couples.

-Scott