[Vision2020] Moscow is Being Used - Yeah,
but by whom is thetrue question
Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Thu Jul 7 16:58:09 PDT 2005
Seems to be what you apply Keely. You point fingers at
NSA for violating zoning codes, while sitting on the
MSD Board and violating them yourself. Selective
interpretation and selective enforcement seems to be
the way of those that vocally oppose NSA.
Donovan J Arnold
--- keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> Yep, Donovan, you really nailed this one.
>
> keely
>
> From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> To: J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>,
> vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Moscow is Being Used -
> Yeah,but by whom is thetrue
> question
> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:26:19 -0700 (PDT)
>
> J Ford wrote, "The WHOLE Bible needs to be read as a
> WHOLE, not just parts that say what you want it to."
>
> You mean like Joel Plaskon did with the City Zoning
> Code but you want for fired doing so?
>
> I am confused. Do you take the law as a whole, or as
> little parts? Or do we pick and choose how we read
> the
> law based on if and how it effects our friends and
> those we dislike or disagree with?
>
> Donovan J Arnold
>
>
> --- J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ok, you need to try reading that enrire chapter.
> >
> > Deborah was a prophetis and a "judge of Israel"
> and
> > at the time of this
> > particular passage, "And she would sit under the
> > palm tree of Deborah
> > between Ramah and Bethel in the mountains of
> > Ephraim. And the children of
> > Israel came up to her for judgement." (Judges
> 4:5)
> >
> > She states to Israel what was going to happen at
> > God's hand in regards to a
> > battle with Sisera (a MALE leader, BTW) and how
> > Sisera will be delivered up
> > to Israel: "Up! For this is the day in which the
> > Lord has delivered Sisera
> > into your hand. Has not the Lord gone out before
> > you?" (Judges 4:14) The
> > passage clearly states Barak's resistance to go
> into
> > battle without Deborah;
> > she goes with him but it was not what God had
> wanted
> > to have happen - and
> > not because she was a woman.
> >
> > To end that chapter of the Bible, Israel won the
> > battle and Israel "rested
> > for forty years" afterwards...with Deborah in
> their
> > midst. In fact, "Then
> > Deborah and Barak sang on that day." (Judges 5:1)
> >
> > The WHOLE Bible needs to be read as a WHOLE, not
> > just parts that say what
> > you want it to.
> >
> > J ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "New man" <1564_2 at mail.com>
> > >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Moscow is Being Used -
> > Yeah, but by whom is
> > >thetrue question
> > >Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 02:22:50 -0500
> > >
> > >JFord,
> > >
> > >You seem to think there is something wrong with
> > promoting men to
> > >positions of leadership, as opposed to women.
> You
> > should consider
> > >Deborah, in the Bible:
> > >
> > >"And she said, I will surely go with thee:
> > notwithstanding the journey
> > >that thou takest shall not be for thine honour;
> for
> > the LORD shall sell
> > >Sisera into the hand of a woman. And Deborah
> arose,
> > and went with Barak
> > >to Kedesh" (Judges 4:9).
> > >
> > >Deborah knew that being led by a woman was
> > something to be ashamed of,
> > >even though she was a woman.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "J Ford"
> > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Moscow is Being
> Used -
> > Yeah, but by whom is
> > > the true question
> > > Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:28:13 -0700
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Not sure who you think is listening, but
> > obviously you don't listen
> > > > very well. Not only is Wilson elbow deep in
> > politics, he is
> > > > encouraging and promoting members of CC to
> get
> > into the political
> > > > arena in Moscow. Paul Kimmell is a prime
> > example of Doug
> > > > supporting the political ambitions of his
> men
> > CC members.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe what you meant is that he is not
> > encouraging everyone in CC
> > > > to join the political field - he does seem
> to
> > be continuing to
> > > > groom certain men vs. others.
> > > >
> > > > And your name is GOD is it? that you can
> > declare someone a
> > > > God-hater as well as irreligious? People
> can
> > and do disagree on
> > > > many things including God's will, but that
> > does not mean they hate
> > > > God or are not faithful to Him. Calling
> > someone a God hater
> > > > without knowing them in person is
> > irresponsible and risky.
> > > >
> > > > Innocents are those free of blame,
> guiltless,
> > above suspicion, in
> > > > the clear, etc. Since Adam and Eve were the
> > originators of sin and
> > > > our sin comes from them, we - none of us -
> are
> > guiltless or "in the
> > > > clear...including you and Doug W.
> > > >
> > > > Seems to me being intolerant can and does
> flow
> > in two directions.
> > > >
> > > > J ;)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: "the man" <1564 at mail.com>
> > > > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > > Subject: [Vision2020] Moscow is Being
> Used
> > > > > Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:16:07 -0500
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Citizens of Moscow,
> > > > >
> > > > > Some people revile Pastor Doug Wilson for
> > encouraging us to stay
> > > out of
> > > > > politics. They don’t understand: Politics
> > will never save us.
> > > > > Politics is not a panacea. This was made
> > very clear last night
> > > when our
> > > > > elected city officials decided to delay
> > fixing the zoning fiasco
> > > until
> > > > > October 1st!
> > > > >
> > > > > Moscow! Look how you’re being used! Look
> how
> > you’ve become
> > > > > the instrument of persecution for a
> handful
> > of irreligious God
> > > haters.
> > > > >
> > > > > Moscow! Look how the intoloristas have
> made
> > you their weapon to
> > > strike
> > > > > the innocent!
> > > > >
> > > > > Moscow! Your children weep for your lack
> of
> > discernment!
>
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