[Vision2020] Wilson's Expanded 'Intolerista' Definition (was Intolerista Slogans)

[Mark Solomon]

Thanks Saundra and Rose for excellent posts. Doug's expanding his 
intolerance to include "all who dare to disagree with him" was the 
topic I addressed in my speech to NSA students and faculty back in 
October.

http://www.electsolomon.com/New_Saint_Andrews_College.html

The primary point I was trying to make was the inevitable conflict 
between any system that excludes dissent and the larger surrounding 
system that receives the excluded voices as in the complainants in 
the zoning issue aptly demonstrate. Only be opening the internal 
system to a welcoming of dissent and other disturbances can the 
internal system remain dynamic.

Either NSA/CC/Wilson will learn this natural lesson of dynamic 
systems or eventually their system will fail. No predictions either 
way from me.

Mark Solomon


At 11:27 PM -0800 1/31/05, Saundra Lund wrote:
>Thank you, Rose, for an excellent post.  I don't have the time or patience to
>keep up with the Blog Stalkers, so I appreciate when you & others make sure
>those pertinent excrementitious & telling tidbits see the light of day.
>
>Rose wrote:
>"Neither I, nor my Intolerista colleagues were involved in bringing the zoning
>complaint.  We were not even aware of the issue until we read about it in the
>newspaper.  We know, and so do you, that you are making this erroneous and
>unfounded claim in an effort to portray yourself as the embattled victim of
>religious discrimination.  It must really sting that law-abiding, honorable,
>Evangelical men are holding you accountable for your civil failure."
>
>THANK YOU from one of the Nasty Nine <g> subset of the Intoleristas.  While I
>understand why folks asked, I was getting mighty tired of explaining 
>that no, I
>wasn't involved in the zoning complaint & didn't know any more about it than
>what I'd read in the papers, on V2020, and in the City Code  :-)
>
>Of course, I'm not sure what constitutes an Intolerista.  I mean, I 
>*thought* I
>knew the deceptive-but-facile thinking behind the particular Wilsonism, but
>after you piqued my curiosity, I see from reading Pastor Wilson's 
>monologue . .
>. I mean, blog
>(http://www.dougwils.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=748) 
>that I
>was all wrong.  Hold the phone!!!  It seems that Wilson's definition of an
>'Intolerista' has morphed!  In his typical bloated fashion, Wilson has now
>expanded his definition to include *all* who dare to disagree *any* aspect of
>that wolf in sheep's clothing worldview.  There is no other explanation I can
>fathom for Wilson's inclusion in his Intoleristas list the three Evangelical
>Christians making the zoning complaint, men who undoubtedly have/had
>spiritual/religious relationships with Christ Church and/or NSA complaint.
>
>Ah, what a relief!  Our nice little Intolerista group has just grown
>exponentially since it now includes everyone from the far left to 
>the far right
>including many reactionaries  :-)  I extend my heartiest welcome to 
>an estimated
>99.99% of our community!
>
>Does this mean the Intolerista flyer
>(http://www.tomandrodna.com/notonthepalouse/images/intolerista.pdf) 
>needs to be
>updated?
>
>Rose also wrote:
>"The FOG, an unpleasant little nickname you gave those within your own
>congregation who bravely believed you should be accountable for your behavior,
>divided your church.  You know that the things that we are intolerant of (like
>your defense of slavery, the place and expectations for women under a
>patriarchal system, women serving in the military, the application 
>of Mosaic law
>as a fulfillment of God's plan etc.) are matters of grave concern to 
>millions of
>people world wide, not just a few local Intoleristas."
>
>Amen!
>
>I'm getting a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach:  Wilson seems to be a
>person who is all too quick to and gets far too much joy out of affixing
>belittling names to many, many individuals & groups.  I ask you:  is this what
>we need or expect from religious leaders?  It's certainly *not* the kind of
>thing I'm used to ministers doing, and I'd be looking for a new 
>house of worship
>if my minister had that much bitterness and hatred in her/his heart.  Reading
>through Wilson's blog, there is ton of shrill vitriol toward a variety of
>targets.  Indeed, it seems to me a fair amount is directed at his followers.
>What's *with* that?!?  Prolific name-calling is a form of emotional 
>abuse that's
>much more common in bullies and cults leaders than in genuine 
>religious leaders,
>IMO.
>
>Rose also wrote:
>"I am wondering Doug, when, if ever, you will admit that NSA is incorrectly
>positioned in the heart of the central business zone?  In fact, you and your
>employees failed to secure the appropriate, legally required permits. Your
>credibility continues to shrink as you try to shift the focus of the civil
>complaint, repeat false accusations, and masquerade as the contemporary
>reincarnation of William Tyndale."
>
>Well, I won't be holding my breath for such an admission if Mr. 
>Plaskon's review
>of the matter confirms a problem, but I do think I may have solved part of the
>mystery about why Doug doesn't see a zoning problem with NSA's location in the
>CBD (Central Business District).  Apparently Doug and his Dug-Up 
>Douggies can't
>grasp the difference between an *occupancy permit* and a *zoning certificate*.
>On his blog, Wilson offers the fact that NSA was given an occupancy permit as
>"proof" that NSA can be located downtown.  However, as I read things with my
>"public education," an occupancy permit is a very different thing 
>than a zoning
>certificate.
>
>Of course, maybe I'm wrong, and it *is* also possible Wilson just doesn't get
>it.  But, it's also possible he's using his standard double-speak, 
>which served
>him will in the past, to try to confuse folks who might ask questions.  Since
>I've found him to be a person of reasonable intelligence, I suspect 
>his attempt
>to cloud the issue is disingenuous rather than the result of ignorance.  It
>seems to me Wilson's arrogance is again showing in a most 
>unflattering way if he
>assumes the rest of us are just too stupid to see his sleight of hand.  That's
>JMHO so I could well be wrong, and if I am, no one will have to wait 
>until h*ll
>freezes over for my admission of error.
>
>Rose also wrote:
>"As for your bumper-sticker notion, it's a splendid idea, Doug!  It 
>will deflect
>congregational thought from your current misadventure with those silly zoning
>laws, and would provide lots of witty moments at the Head of 
>Household meetings.
>Go for it.  You probably have forgotten that Auntie Establishment preceded you
>in that arena over a year ago.  Her favorite (aside from the ever popular "The
>Church of Auntie Establishment, Moscow's Other Cult") bumper sticker should
>resonate with the thoughtful Saints of Christ Church and probably the majority
>of the Fellowship of Grievance.  Remember it?  "You're Not The Boss Of Me."
>
>What?!?!?!  There's a "You're Not The Boss of Me" bumper sticker??? 
>While I do
>have one of those most empowering T-shirts *and* a "The Church of Auntie
>Establishment, Moscow's Other Cult" bumper sticker, I do NOT have a 
>"You're Not
>The Boss of Me" bumper sticker  <sniff, sniff>
>
>
>Saundra Lund
>Moscow, ID
>
>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
>nothing.
>-Edmund Burke
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On
>Behalf Of DonaldH675 at aol.com
>Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:58 PM
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] Intolerista Slogans
>
>http://dougwils.com/ 
>Intolerista Slogans
>Topic: General Ruminations
>
>Doug writes:
>
>1.   "The Intolaristas have launched a new attack on us....."
>
>Response:   What do you mean by "us," Doug?  Do you have a mouse in 
>your pocket?
>We know that rank and file members of your congregation had nothing to do with
>getting (or not getting) the proper building, occupancy, and zoning 
>permits.  It
>has always been your modus operandi to pretend that community 
>disagreements with
>you are extended to a generalized attack on the members of your church. You
>should be down on your knees tomorrow morning in front of the Saints begging
>their pardon for spreading dissent and unhappiness in Moscow which 
>is rooted and
>has grown and spread because of your hubris and ill considered sense of
>entitlement.
>
>Neither I, nor my Intolerista colleagues were involved in bringing the zoning
>complaint.  We were not even aware of the issue until we read about it in the
>newspaper.  We know, and so do you, that you are making this erroneous and
>unfounded claim in an effort to portray yourself as the embattled  victim of
>religious discrimination.  It must really sting  that law-abiding, honorable,
>Evangelical men are holding you accountable for your civil failure. 
>
>2."This effrontery was too much for Rosemary Huskey, one of the 
>chief whackadoos
>in the CoFB (Coalition of the Fevered Brow), and so she wrote a letter to the
>editor, proudly laying out the elements of the Intolerista Creed."
>
>Response:  Is the CoFB something like the FOG (Fellowship of Grievance)?  The
>FOG, an unpleasant little nickname you gave those within your own congregation
>who bravely believed you should be accountable for your behavior, divided your
>church.  You know that the things that we are intolerant of (like your defense
>of slavery, the place and expectations for women under a patriarchal system,
>women serving in the military, the application of Mosaic law as a 
>fulfillment of
>God's plan etc.) are matters of grave concern to millions of people 
>world wide,
>not just a few local Intoleristas. 
>
>I am wondering Doug, when, if ever, you will admit that NSA is incorrectly
>positioned in the heart of the central business zone?  In fact, you and your
>employees failed to secure the appropriate, legally required permits. Your
>credibility continues to shrink as you try to shift the focus of the civil
>complaint,
>repeat false accusations, and masquerade as the contemporary reincarnation of
>William Tyndale.  (Grandiosity is a beguiling path, Doug, but it 
>generally leads
>to a disagreeable destination.  Real friends would seek to turn your 
>steps from
>this unhappy route.)
>
>If I had your best interests at heart, as presumably your elders do, 
>I'd advise
>you to think of ways to avoid additional and unnecessary loss of face.  For
>instance, why not renew your search for a piece of land upon which 
>to build the
>medieval cathedral and cathedral close of your dreams?  That should keep you
>busy for awhile.  The sale of NSA might help to fund your little 
>city on a hill.
>
>As for your bumper-sticker notion, it's a splendid idea, Doug!  It 
>will deflect
>congregational thought from your current misadventure with those silly zoning
>laws, and would provide lots of witty moments at the Head of 
>Household meetings.
>Go for it.  You probably have forgotten that Auntie Establishment preceded you
>in that arena over a year ago.  Her favorite (aside from the ever popular "The
>Church of Auntie Establishment, Moscow's Other Cult") bumper sticker should
>resonate with the thoughtful Saints of Christ Church and probably the majority
>of the Fellowship of Grievance.  Remember it?  "You're Not The Boss Of Me."
>
>Do Wacky Do Wacky Do!
>Rose Huskey
>
>
>Intolerista Slogans
>Topic: General Ruminations
>
>As some of you know, a week or so ago, the Intoleristas launched a 
>new attack on
>us here in Moscow. <snip>
>Posted by Douglas Wilson - 1/29/2005 3:53:03 PM | Link to this post
><http://dougwils.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=743>